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Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« on: January 26, 2008, 12:13:42 PM »
For the many who desire to venture into such, we’re looking for all the input and advice you’d care to offer.
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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 07:44:50 AM »
Amethys mining, ya, ok...many do it here.  But Archean Gold?  Forget it, in Ontario.  ARD,"ACID ROCK DRAINAGE" issues...

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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 08:16:31 PM »
Hi Feldwebel,

Could you - or anyone else - elaborate on this acid rock drainage issue?  Although I have heard of it, I don't really know what it is, how it comes about, or what you do about it.

Thanks,

Rob

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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 09:52:09 PM »
Hi, there.

I did a quick Google and to my surprise found the following Wikipedia coverage of this topic. 

WIKI talks ARD (Acid Rock Drainage)

I hope this helps you on your  journey to greater understanding.

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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2009, 06:17:11 AM »
Thanks Megan!

I really should know more about ARD, since our equipment is often used to map groundwater contamination as a result of ARD, but I haven't been focused on those instruments or applications yet.

I guess Bogart, Huston and Holt never had that problem in the Sierra Madres, eh?

Cheers,

Rob

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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2009, 11:10:43 AM »
Acid rock drainage is a function of weathering of sulphides.
It is not an issue with placer and it is only an issue in certain hardrock operations.
While the mine is active the tailings can be an issue and the water pumped from the mine has to be watched. For a mom and pop operation the scale of operation is usually so small that the issue is minimal and if they watch their P's and Q's they can minimize it. Even so they will face an uphill battle getting permits if there is a potential for acid drainage because of the sins of previous operators.
Canada has very few mom and pop hardrock operations - the US has quite a few in some states.
Important to the process is building in the economics right from the start so that proper remediation can be done when the shutdown comes. Notice I said WHEN - it is not an if. It is painful to do but you have to have money left when the money stops and since shut downs can happen for many reasons it can be tough to plan for. A remediation fund that cannot be touched even when you are going broke as the mine turns uneconomic. Not a negative - just a reality.
Kenny Rogers said it  - "Know when to fold 'em." That can be the single most important mining decision a person will make.
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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2009, 06:07:12 PM »
Thanks Golly.

You said that
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Canada has very few mom and pop hardrock operations
, which implies that there are some.  Do you know of any?  I'm sure there would be some interesting stories there!

Cheers,

Rob

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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 06:30:17 PM »
I haven't seen a mom an pop hardrock operation in Canada for many years. There were a couple of guys blasting and shipping an arsenopyrite/gold vein for awhile not far from Madoc Ontario.
There are some mom and pop hardrock mines that mine other commoditites. Small quarry stuff like decorative rock, or talc or jade but gold mom and pops are few and far between.
I am sure there are a few hardrock gold mom and pops but I haven't been paying attention to them. I will check around and see what I find.
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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2009, 11:32:07 PM »
Help me out here, guys, as I'm fuzzy on North of the Border geography.  Is Nova Scotia considered "Canada?"  If so, I know of a mom and pop operation who has their claims for sale.  They've been Father/Sons mining it for a couple decades and have had the properties for dozens of decades.  I've bought specimens off of them, and my MSHA e*breather W-65 Self Rescuer, that clangs on my hip when I'm hardrockin' down here in the states.   He's also got several of those unused units for sale.  He and his partner bought a close-out from a coal mining outfit that closed up there.  Heck of a nice guy, and a heck of a deal. 

Just let me know, and I'll gladly put y'all in touch.  <-yes_>

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Re: Pros and Cons of a Mom & Pop Hardrock Operation
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 06:16:56 AM »
Yup - Nova Scotia is still part of Canada no matter what THEY say.  <-laugh->
I knew that they had a solid history of gold but was not sware that anyone was actively mining on a small scale.
What can you tell us about their operation Megan?
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