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Offline Top Cat

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You Tubers
« on: February 17, 2019, 07:25:14 AM »
First off the following is not aimed at anyone person on this Forum.

I just found out why people want you to "Subscribe" to their videos on YouTube, because the more subscribers and followers and likes they get, the person get paid. Oce they reach a certain number "commercials" are put into them.

Folks there is big money in making videos and some Tuber's even have the balls to ask for a donation ($) to help them make more videos.

My daughter knows a woman that made $380,000.00 last year, mind you she has a ton of "Subscribers".

Maybe the Gold is not in the ground but is in making videos for Youtube?

Just my thoughts and opinion.

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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2019, 08:09:53 PM »
Hi.Top cat you are so right.But for some reason this forum allows it.I have nothing against watching you tube vids but advertising and solicting money should be  banned.If i remember correctly claims are not to be sold on this site.I do believe  that was directed at commercial guys.I put Youtubers asking for patreons in that catorgory.So you tubers looking for support should keep Patreons to your you tube sites.I think Admin would agree with this.Luck Mcbain.
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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2019, 10:35:32 PM »
To be fair most of the ewe-pipers on this forum are on topic.  2 photos and 45 words that takes 14 seconds to understand or a 20 minute UT video with chalk-board scratching noise called music and a buffoon yelling while they jump up an down. They don't make much off me! Anyhow the inter-web  has changed a lot. I remember when Google was a search engine. Heck I remember when you made your own spider to search. Search engines are a thing of the past. Now there are only sales engines.  EOR

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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 07:35:24 AM »
I'm with Geezir in the sense that I haven't really seen any pandering going on and that things are mostly on-topic.

I also think it's fine that people want to make money in this fashion, just like the merchants and shovel-and-wheelbarrow salesmen of old.

The thing that gets me with youtube and the people who make money off it by broadcasting their hobbies, interests, etc. is that when people start doing it for money, they start to leave their identity of miner, maker, etc. and turn into a "movie producer" - which, as much as it is nice to have some entertainment with your hobby, it tends to go really over the top and become more about the youtubing than the actual hobby itself.

Some of the most memorable videos have been the most low key ones - like a lot of Two Toes' stuff or Dan Hurd's teaching series. I think they'd rank among some of the best and most useful content I've watched on youtube.

Anyways. Just my two cents.


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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2019, 08:11:16 AM »
Where do people get this bull****? I have a Youtube channel. It was monetized. Over 3 years I made $36.00. Last year Youtube cancelled all monetization of channels with less than 100,000 subscribers. Very few channels have that many, especially in the mining industry. Making videos is a big job, and a pain in the butt. You're all lucky that a few people step up and make the effort.
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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2019, 09:31:56 AM »
My Take?   

IF your making a good video and trying to give something back,  take what you can get.  After all the Youtubers are not asking me personally for money,  they simply get paid adverts at some point..big deal.

Asking for a donation to a Patreon account also doesn't bother me.  I tried to release some videos,  honestly to make a poor 5 minute you tube video with a little bit of editing, some titles etc still takes an hour,   a good video I imagine takes much more.   Plus every time I am grabbing  the drone or camera to film,  I am not doing what I want to be,  which is digging or hiking.
I would bet that some of the more well known youtube prospectors spend 6-8 hours per video in just production.

Maybe a shout out in the videos to the places your advertising? but even that is not required IMO.

Youtube on!




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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2019, 09:35:17 AM »
People trying to sell their wares on forums are usually required to pay to be an advertiser/sponsor.  From my understanding this structure exists so that the forum providing the traffic/sales to the business get a bit of money for providing this opportunity.

The problem with Youtube is it is hard to determine whether or not it is a business.  It can be really hard to draw that line.  If someone is posting videos for the purpose to share their knowledge and experiences as a hobby and are not monetized then this is not really a business (yet).

Where do you draw the line after that?  As it was mentioned going out and creating videos is not only a lot of work but it also takes away from whatever you are doing since you have to divert some of your attention to making good shots.  There are also extra costs with recording gear and editing software, time spent editing etc.  So if someone gets enough of a following and gets monetized is this a business or compensation for a hobby like the gold you find prospecting?  Is it a fair exchange for the time and effort the producer puts into creating content?  As diamond jim said the money you get when you are small time is not very much at all.  Some niche topics like mining/prospecting don't get that many subs or views to make producing videos alone ever worthwhile monetarily.

But if these arguments are brought up then what is the intent of the channel.  Is it to share your knowledge/experience/adventures solely from your passion of the hobby or is the ultimate goal to make a profit?  Some channels are started just to share and others are started with the goal of making money off of it.  We don't know what the numbers or intentions are behind the scenes so it is hard to figure out if a channel is a really a business or not.

So then what if you start asking for patreon donations?  What about selling stuff on the side related to the videos?  What about affiliate commissions and product placement?  At some point it is less about sharing and more about creating a brand, advertising and generating sales.  Some build businesses around Youtube videos alone and others use it to drive traffic/sales to their products (physical, services, digital)

I don't have a problem with someone sharing content, asking for donations and making some money to cover costs of equipment, time, travel etc.  But at the same time I think it is only fair if you are making a profit that you pay to become an advertiser since you are using forum resources to drive sales either directly or indirectly.  If you go into something expecting to be compensated for your knowledge/skills then you should be compensating others that are helping you out.

At some point either intentionally or unintentionally a hobby channel can turn into a business over time.  I think it is favorable for the people who have channels and are trying to transition into profitable revenue streams that they become sponsors/advertisers on their own accord.  It would make me respect what they are trying to do a lot more.

Of course this line between hobby/business can be a hard one to draw, should you tubers have to follow the same structure and cost as other advertisers or since the margins can be a lot smaller should there be a separate class set up for them?  But then again maybe not, as with any business the revenues can be small or huge but advertising is advertising.

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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2019, 01:13:19 PM »
I was not around when this website was founded,  so I can't speak to the morals and rules employed by its founders.  But safe to say the "times are a changin" and social media is a large part of most hobbies.. (Message boards are NOT).

The  contributors with the most to offer of late have been YouTubers,  and once my Youtube channel goes live this spring I guess I will be lumped into the same category and will be un-welcome here unless I pay?

1.  If you have a real job,  in Real life and it has nothing to do with Prospecting,  Equipment or Mining... then POST away...  link the heck outta your channel, I don't care if you make a buck.  Chances are the $40.00 you get from Youtube channel works out to $2/hr once you've filmed and edited.  Bottom line is these youtube videos help thousands more than most of the banter on this website does.  That my opinion.

2.  You sell mining equipment,  claims,  or something mining related as your main source of income....  Sponsor the site.

What some of you are saying is that Dan,  all the Gold Chasers guys (CMMC, Knucklebuster etc),  Pauly and others are not really welcome here unless they sponsor the site.. and that's like shooting yourself in your foot.  We need more contributions from users like these,  not less.

Could you not argue that someone with a good YouTube channel or the ability to produce a good video isn't contributing content?  Arguably more valuable than sponsorship.

Sponsor the site??  that brings up anther topic...  I have ran at least 6 websites over the last decade from NPO ones to business ones...  honestly whats that cost... $150 a year for hosting? and maybe $1000 a year if you have to pay an admin. (Not usually needed).

If the site wants to raise some $$$ then charge $10.00 fee for people that want to be "premium members" or something or "honorary members".. .make it $20.00 and give them a sticker for their car or whatever like all the 4x4 sites do.  lol..

Anyhow... rant over..






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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2019, 02:19:27 PM »
I am not in favor of allowing or disallowing it, I am just looking at it from both sides wondering where the compromise would be.  Businesses generally have to pay for the opportunity to advertise, promote and sell.  People just sharing videos of what they are up to don't.  I am wondering where this line is?

For sure I have watched great content on Youtube and I appreciate the effort and time that people put into doing this.  Having this videos made and shared is a good thing for prospecting to pass on the knowledge and hobby.

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once my Youtube channel goes live this spring I guess I will be lumped into the same category and will be un-welcome here unless I pay

There is not one category here that I can see, there is the well meaning person sharing their knowledge and adventure and then there is the:

I create a Youtube channel and started making "informative" videos.  The links I post on this forum are ones that would fall within the guidelines and are only showing my adventures, panning technique etc.  Meanwhile I have links in my video descriptions to the products and services I sell, my other videos are promoting my products and I am getting free product or paid for product placement and for me to make product recommendations on the video.  Obviously all of this is a niche area and to reach my audience using prospecting forums would be a good way to drive traffic to my products via Youtube.

The thing that bothers me a bit is when an "innocent well meaning" user starts posting videos but they might not be so well meaning and are using it as an indirect loophole way to drive sales.  Few fall into this category and the ones that do for the most part are sponsors of the site.  This is actually a marketing strategy, to give information away for free to affect your customers psychologically to be more open to doing business with you.  (principle of reciprocity)  So at what point do you draw the line between a hobby Youtube producer, a professional Youtuber and a marketing campaign?

The only thing that compelled me to post is remember that some of the first videos I watched were from Gold Hog before I even knew what Gold Hog was.  It was on panning technique and the science behind how sluices work.  He could use the same argument and post these informative videos and not sponsor the site under the argument that this is more valuable than sponsorship.  Once I was on his channel and watched his other videos it did not take long before I was convinced about buying certain products from him.  I don't know his own personal reason why he decided to sponsor and become and advertiser on the site and not try to work around the requirements but it just seems more upstanding to me.

I am not against Youtube creators or videos or making money off of it, just to me looks a little odd when the line between honest videos and marketing campaigns is blurred and it is hard to tell if they are trying to sell you something or just share something.  That context is important because many would trust someone more who is sharing something without looking to make a sale.  If somewhere down the marketing funnel there is an expected potential sale then there is obvious bias and influence that will be a part of the content.  (subconscious or not)

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Re: You Tubers
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 03:31:29 PM »
Well said tonofsteel  That is good and decent thinking to have  Sharing knowledge for free is a love of their prospecting life
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