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Offline 1829digger

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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2017, 09:28:46 AM »
So is this fee going Tobe for everyone. Or only guy that need to run dirt..  so really what iam ask is. If it's a fee every must pay. This will have an effect  on flippers. Or will it make them just raise their prices

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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2017, 10:05:05 AM »
If I'm correct, for now it only effects or will effect those that submit a NOW for mechanical work. They continue to fight to keep highbanker work out of the new fees for water usage. So if the flippers are still just buying and selling claims without submitting a NOW they'll still be able to do what they do best. 
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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2017, 02:59:57 PM »
I still have 3 years to go on my NOW so I'm sure it will be well sorted out on the water front.

 The new regs might cause a bit of turn over though and shake out the weak hands. There is always turnover though; no matter where you go. My claim was owned by three different free miners before I got a hold of it. A lot of the time it can be folks with golden dreams that get side lined and loose interest.

 Gas and time add up pretty quick and if you are just panning then Hope and Yale start to look pretty good IMO. If you want to get bigger then you need a claim. Good claims take time to find and develop.

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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2017, 06:17:58 PM »
They gave another year to get it sorted however, you still have to apply for a water license for mechanical mining if you are moving more than 2000m3 dirt per year.  You will need a water license for any kind of water usage , gravity feed, ground water, from the pump ect. This is due to the new water act a year ago.

You pay $500 application fee that is non-refundable. Then you pay an extra $250 if you have to cross crown land or run lengths of hose. Then you pay a yearly rental fee which is a minimum of $200.

I just got my new NOW approved and nothing was needed.  It is back to  what it was 2 years ago with my old NOW.  I even asked the permitting department and mines inspector.  I do know you need a water permit if you are sucking from the creek or making a water diversion ditch like farmers do for there fields.
 

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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2017, 07:16:56 PM »
No matter how you slice it,the goverment is bound and determined to rape the little guys with cash grabs.Companies like Nestle still export water at a trillion liters per year for a grand total of 3.00 dollars a year .Less than yo pay for 1 bottle. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(.Luck Mcbain.
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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2017, 12:19:39 AM »

I just got my new NOW approved and nothing was needed.  It is back to  what it was 2 years ago with my old NOW.  I even asked the permitting department and mines inspector.  I do know you need a water permit if you are sucking from the creek or making a water diversion ditch like farmers do for there fields.

 ... and nothing was needed.

But the laws are still on the books and it's up to each miner to have their permits. A Mining Permit does not exempt you. Get it in writing from each government department that you are exempt by getting your permit for no permit.....  or

they just may use their backup plan ... shut you down at anytime for no permit.

 WATER USE PERMIT
ENVIORNMENTAL WASTE PERMIT
MINES PERMIT
FREE USE PERMIT
etc... ect.. etc...     <-yes_>    ^#!


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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2017, 07:30:49 PM »
Hmmmm.Do not want to see this happen but it could.All minors become weekend warriors.Watch a episode ofGold rush.Rush out and buy a highbanker and a pump,Go mining and claim jumping where ever you like.No fees,No permits no nothing steal what ever you can.They do it already and yet the only folks being penalized are the honest minors.Like every thing else in Canada nobody polices the thieves.Just saying.Luck Mcbain.
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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2017, 08:00:30 PM »

I just got my new NOW approved and nothing was needed.  It is back to  what it was 2 years ago with my old NOW.  I even asked the permitting department and mines inspector.  I do know you need a water permit if you are sucking from the creek or making a water diversion ditch like farmers do for there fields.

 ... and nothing was needed.

But the laws are still on the books and it's up to each miner to have their permits. A Mining Permit does not exempt you. Get it in writing from each government department that you are exempt by getting your permit for no permit.....  or

they just may use their backup plan ... shut you down at anytime for no permit.

 WATER USE PERMIT
ENVIORNMENTAL WASTE PERMIT
MINES PERMIT
FREE USE PERMIT
etc... ect.. etc...     <-yes_>    ^#!

Like I said before read what a "water use permit" is for. Sucking from a stream, or diverting a stream.  This is different from what they were trying to impliment. Nothing is needed for recirculation. They wanted to put that rule in with the new water sustainability act last year but now it is exempt until the end of 2017. We have had 2 visits from inspectors this summer out at out site and no write ups or complaints from either veteran inspector. Sounds like you are getting misinformed about the situation from someone...

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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2017, 12:46:25 AM »
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  Like I said before read what a "water use permit" is for. Sucking from a stream, or diverting a stream. 

Nothing is needed for recirculation ... They wanted to put that rule in with the new water sustainability act last year but now it is exempt until the end of 2017.

Are you getting your water for recirculating from an aquifer or ground water? Because that water requires a permit too according to the act.

Could you point me to the exemption from an aquifer or ground water for mines or is it just word of mouth?

The water act only exempts prospecting from requiring a permit.

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Re: Hard to get a claim now adays
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2017, 06:19:59 PM »
Hi.Crew cut.Seems to me that it is open to the inspectors Interpatation .A friend of mine is pulling ground water from what he considers a well.He is still required to have all water permits in place.Seems to me it is just like a traffic cop that writes tickets for shit he dreams up and hopes he pulls it off.Back in the 70s I worked with a few guys in the MOF that thought it was funny to try and screw loggers anyway they could by bending the rules.That is why I tend to ignore these guys till it is law set in stone.Luck Mcbain.
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