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Title: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 22, 2010, 09:36:29 PM
OK, I am getting geared up with some of the best equipment for this season....detector, classifiers, sluice, and blue bowl, now my biggest problem......the area I am interested in is known for a high population of bears, mainly Grizzly. And bears happen to scare me a bit. <~ShOcK~>

What is the best way to keep them away??? I dont have a dog, nor plan on getting one, I have no guns, bear spray in my opinion is a last resort for a way to close encounter. Do air horns, bells and whistles, beeping your horn, and making noise REALLY work effectively??? <-party-> And, if they do, how about as they are waking up all hungary and coming out of there dens?? What is the best way that you have seen work effectively? (this doesnt include telling me to see a psychiatrist [^Crazy!#])
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: finch68 on March 22, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
There are only 3 things you need to keep in mind when dealing with bears.  They have only 3 things on their mind.  The relative importance of these things can change with the particular season in the bear's mind.

1.  Food.  A hungry bear is out to find some food.  Mostly they will be looking for some nice grubs or fresh veggies, but they are not above becoming carnivore if the opportunity presents itself.  Bears just coming out of hibernation are hungry.  If you are in their range, you could be food. 

2. Sex.  Spring is not the normal time for sex to be on their minds, so even if you smell really inviting, they will probably pass you up as a sex partner.  However, in the fall do not get between a big testosterone enhanced male and a willing female.  The consequences are too fierce to contemplate.

3.  Do not get hurt.  This probably trumps the other two, but I'm not sure about sex.  A bear (even a grizzly) will generally take the path that is least likely to get him hurt.  They will avoid contact with humans given any chance at all since most bears understand humans are lethal.

So, your best defense is to make the bear aware that you are a threat to any of the 3 things driving him this particular day.  Make a lot of noise.  Don't smell like a sex partner.  Make a lot of noise.  Keep your food completely out of his smell/taste/hearing range.  Make a lot of noise.

Good luck.

finch68
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 22, 2010, 10:24:26 PM
evenin pjstarchild. haveing spent a fair amount of time in bear country i can tell you both bear spray and noise makers can act as deterants and attractants. a dog is probably your best bet. but you dont want one. my best suggestion would be to think very seriously about what you are trying to do and possibly find another area to prospect. google timithy treadwell and do a little research.  just my 2 cents worth.   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Cory70 on March 22, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
 Well since you do not have guns, or dogs, I would suggest making all of us at this forum your beneficiaries. Okay after that, take some bear spray with you, Mr. Griz sometimes likes his food spicy and rare.
 On a serious note, borrow a junkyard dog or two, make you a couple of pot and pans windchims and hang them around your camp and where you are dredging, hang some rancid food in a bear barrel about 3-4 miles away with a trailcam setup nearby (they take great photos and video to keep you company in the winter when it is too cold to prospect), then hang your food way away from you and the bear bait. Keep it sealed if possible. Now for the part you will not care for, get a decent gun, I recommend a .30-06, a cheap one, it will kill everything on this planet, and it may just save your life some day. If none of this sounds feasible, PM me and I may have an organic solution that you may like, it has worked on bears for me before, but I will not post it. Its non-lethal.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on March 23, 2010, 02:05:35 AM
BEARS.......... eeeek !   Don't care much about them either.  If seeing one immediately after leaving the den, no need to worry, for they eat grasses for a week or two before leaning toward eating fleshy things.  Their stomachs just won't handle meat, at first.  Afterwards, though, you could very well be invited to dinner.... theirs.  You should follow some good advice, though, and beg, borrow or steal a BIG dog or two, but also back things up with a good rifle.  If you intend on working the same area for any given period of time, you might wish to get yourself set up with a bear fence.... you can buy all that from a place called "Margos" in Alberta.  Personally, I'd prefer, maybe, flame throwers, hand grenades, bazookas, or napom air strikes.  Not to add fears, but they are too danged big and far too strong, and way to unpredictable to even think of going into their territory without having adequate protection.

There's been another post on bears (do a search for it) which you may find interesting.  Either way, travel safely.

Larry

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Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: willthedancer on March 23, 2010, 05:44:55 AM
You need a pack of pet skunks to protect yourself. No bear would dare....

Just make sure they don't get excited in your rig on the way out.

A mining partner or two, a dog, and a 30-06 are in order. I like bells too.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on March 23, 2010, 06:14:13 AM
No dogs no gun and hungry bears? 1+1=diner for the bears. especially since your going out for the first times. But that is just fear talking isn’t it? Odds are you'll have little trouble thou if you follow advice well. And can read. I'd offer some of the for mentioned if it was not such a wild subject for me. But one reoccurring lesson sticks out. Do not pan with your back to the woods with your head stuck down in a noisy creek.
One other would be buy a gun!! dues not have to be a pistol or some high caliber. shot guns are probably the best being more cop friendly for there lack of range and accuracy. And with that! never shoot to kill. Always take a front shoulder or leg out from under it first. Trying for more mite only wound it in a way that still allow it to launch its self over 50 feet.    
I personally like bears, cougar and anything that mite still find its way to keeping it real for me. Not much fight left in the old woods now. And even thou there mite be bears were your going. I'll bet its but a fraction of what was ones there. So you should have time to learn before mistakes are made.
The old timers had no city ways to leave behind. And were far more suited for the life that must at least be recognized that surrounds prospecting.
Or what’s the point otherwise? Buy some gold! Its safer, and you can buy all you want of it. And if you work real hard you can even afford all the luxuries and conveniences that will let you grow old.
I am 45 years old. Yet I feel 80. and for how I got to feeling like this. I am connected to memories of thematic events that I survived.
The gun fighter of the old days did not need to live past twenty to gain that inner respect for survival. As that is about when I got mine. 20 years ago.
Time is not the same out there when the life is fully lived. It leaves a richer history to the barer of those years.  
Chuck.  
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on March 23, 2010, 07:02:52 AM
Bear Spray is convenient on a shoot from the hip holster....I don't like shinny bells myself (big cats might like them).
The buddy system or "Wolf Pack" works good.....even a mighty bear knows when they are out numbered and will most likely back down.


      YouTube
            - Wolf vs bear
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AVjlht2fi8)


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            - young grizzly vs wolves
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzfYsIC8ufs)
  
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 23, 2010, 07:45:45 AM
This is a great post!  [email protected]* [email protected]*
 Has anyone ever thought of just slapping on a light weight saber? Not a bowie knife, I am talking a light weight sword. Personally, this would be a formidable weapon against a bear I think. Including a cougar. I am wondering if anyone has heard of attacking a bear with one?
How possible is it that a bear could get to you, wielding a sword?? Surely this would be adequate?
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 23, 2010, 07:49:43 AM
PJ I spend a lot of time in bear country. Have survived a grizzly attack. Doesn't make me an expert but does add to the perspective.
In over 40 years in the bush I have only had a few bad encounters with bears and I average at least two close encounters per year. Pretty well every encounter I have had ends with the bear figuring out what I was and taking off. Your best defense is to stay aware - don't look or act like prey -don't breach bear etiquette with cubs or food.
Chucks advise about not sitting hunched over at the stream is good. Not only do you have a passing resemblance to something on the menu but you can't keep an eye out very well and neither you nor the bear can hear very well over the stream.
Things I have found effective and use for myself and my crews:
Make noise - the ding a ling of bells has caused bears to come in as curious. Discordant assertive noises. Yelling - laughing - walking loud etc. Predicatable and/or rythmic - repetitive sounds are more a curiosity than a deterrent. You don't have to sneak up on minerals so you don't have to be quiet. Make noise - take up yodelling (sp). Thats another reason to bring a partner - you can have an excuse to talk loud etc and the bears won't think you are crazy for talking to yourself.
A refillable air horn works very well - the type you use a bike pump to refill. You don't have to blow it lots - once or twice and the bear knows you are there. Keep it filled! They generally move to a quieter venue. As you move into a valley or cross any significant topography sound off. Horn and yelling. A good loud whistle works well and I also have a really loud marine air horn that can be blown into so no refills needed. Odds are you won't even see a bear. don't be surprised if a bear comes to check out the commotion  -they are curious by nature. Generally they will circle to get your scent and a look at whats making all the racket. Once they get a wiff of you they are usually eager to stay clear.
Do not sneak or scurry like a bear might jump you - walk and act like you own the place and are considering anything you encounter as dinner. Quads seem to keep most bears away though I have seen grizzlies take out their frustration and territorial aggression on equipment left for any length of time.
This rule changes if you run into a bear that hasn't read the memo about avoiding the two legged, stinky, noisey apes.
A face to face challenge - charge - or sneak attack can happen. Very rare.
A dog that you KNOW will act right around bears is handy.
I carry both a short barrel - pump action shotgun or Marlin 45-70 and bear spray. I would prefer not to shoot if possible but I admit the gun is my first grab in a tight situation. Seems to settle the nerves and project the right kind of energy/attitude. I carry the spray more as a last ditch thing and to hose down a bear that grabs a crew member where shooting into the fight could be a problem. Hose them both down and appologize later. I also like having the spray on me all the time in a holster. The gun may have been set aside as I work.
Frankly you hear people talk like bears are out to get ya but the reality is that you go about your business in an aware and assertive manner and you can't stand stand there constantly on guard like the Viet Cong could attack at any second.
One thing about noise makers. The hunters on here will know what I'm talking about.
A point source noise - in other words standing still and aiming the horn/whistle/yell - in a single direction is not as effective as doing a bit of a turn as you make the noise.
In the bush it can be hard to pinpoint a noise. By broadcasting the noise you create a doppler effect and an animal (humans included) can pinpoint you better. This helps prevent the bear from stumbling into you as he comes down to check out what the noise is. He will have a more exact position on you. Anyone who has done moosecalls knows how effective swinging the call can be.
Larry has mentioned the bear fence. Works surprisingly well. Too bad they didn't have a personnal force field model.
Just because you see a bear does not mean he is attacking. They are curious and smart and will often check you out but generally they stay well away and if they realize that you see them they often take off right away. That curious and smart bit is what makes bears such a pain - they are not predicatable - one runs while another charges - one walks right into camp like he owns the place and another moves to the next county as soon as the chopper lands.
I once had to help track a bear that had been wounded in an encounter with a tree planter. He claimed the bear was charging him. Tracked out it was obvious that the bear was over 75 yards away and had not done anything other than stand there and look at him. The fact that he shot the bear in the butt weakened his argument about the bloodthrsty mankiller as well. The tree planter would have been better served with a lesson on bear management from my Uncle George. Upon seeing a bear stick its head up over some bushes about 50 yards away from him as he split some wood he pointed his finger at it and yelled 'I SEE YOU YOU MANGY LITTLE SON OF A BITCH!!!" and he chucked a piece of wood in the general direction of the rapidly retreating bear. I have used that same technique - sometimes with stronger language - and it is a classic and effective deterrent.

Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 23, 2010, 08:02:16 AM
Dwayne - sword against a bear? Not even on a bet.  <-laugh->
Getting an effective stabbing attack would be next to impossible and their fur and hide would be pretty resistant to slashing. Slashing is also not gonna stop them much. Just annoy them. Maybe against a black bear but any charging bear would be on you and chewing you good before he even realized you had stuck something pointy in him.
As a casual sword slinger I would also point out that swords can be a pain to get back out and use again once shoved into something big and strong and meaty.
One weapon that has proven effective against attacks is a bat or club. Certainly not on my list of preferred bear deterents but it offers you the possiblity of doing damage to whatever you hit and thick skulls and fur are not as resistant to massive blunt trauma as they are from a sword.
Your sword or the bat for that matter would probably be more effective wounding your partner to slow him down some so you can take the lead in the getaway.  ;D
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 23, 2010, 08:09:06 AM
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IDK, maybe its time they created a light saber! lol. Light wieght and young Luke loved his lol. Saw it with my own two eyes as he slayed a beheamoth yeti lol
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 23, 2010, 08:24:29 AM
Jedi Prospectors - sounds like a plan to me.  <-laugh->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 09:25:05 AM
with a bat or club the nose is the best target. memory fails me a little here but i believe it was back in the thirties when judge james wickersham killed a large brownie with the nickname of old growler.. upon skinning they found over 20 gunshot wounds in his head. most wounds were old ranging from 22 cal. to large bores. and you still want to go it alone unarmed. myself i would wait till gold hits that $15.000 an oz. they have been talking.          good luck    jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 23, 2010, 09:30:31 AM
Grizzlies, while they are big, powerful, are generally shy and timid unless in the rut or real hunger, about the only ones I've see give a person any problems, were ones that had cubs with them, or ones that had developed a taste for garbage left behind by humans.  When out in the bush I very rarely pack a gun, packing to much other stuff, I do pack bear spray, more for peace of mind I think than anything else, but then again when walking through the bush I'm not shy, I'm probably one of the noisiest, clumsiest, branch breaking critters out there, find it easier to smash the branches and shrubs out of my way than walk around it all.  Most wildlife will hear me coming from a mile away, and give me lots of room, now I know that a lot of people like to sort of sneak through the bush, thinking that they will hear the bears/cougars first and be ready or to get away from them.  Nothing could be farther from the truth, if you hear the attacking bear or other critters out there, it's generally too late, they are on top of you,  not a good position to be in.  Make lots of noise, announce your presents and dominance, this will give the other life forms time to move out and away, wildlife as a rule doesn't like confrontations, they don't have Medicare, and you will be too far from it to be of any use to yourself ..............Guest

Course there are exceptions to every rule, as Juu907 pointed out, some bears have been shot and just wounded, them ones, well how would you feel if someone shot you in the butt or bounced a couple off your skull, maybe a little {-censored-}towards the offending species..........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on March 23, 2010, 10:05:43 AM
Well Dwayne. If its what you got that counts? Must have been old timers that had no choice.
I have always thought as there giving you a big hug. If you could get your shoulder up under his chin. It would have a hard time biting you. Then with the free arm pulling up to give a big hug back. The stab would come close to the one doing the stabbing. but would only take one. and it would be over. Not a twitch or even a last breath.
One big word!  Abdulalemgota. but for a bear and other critters with similar shaped sculls. there is almost always a descent sized channel between the ear and the spine. Were a major nerve channel runs out of the scull.
Hay I mite not always have a gun. But I always carry a big knife.
I guess in a jam some one could use a pointed stick.
also a big must, is if you can act on instinct alone. Many can't, and freeze up. Makes being a dead ball easier.
Me it would not work for. And would be a sure fire way to get eaten. it go's against all instincts to just play dead. So if you can't put your self some were ells easily with shock. Run!! <-shock_> Or stand and fight.
I mite have a story to tell!, if it was not for every close up encounter, except two, ran. After a few of these I learned how to chase them out of camp. And know exactly how afraid bears are of us.
But fear turns to rage fast. So it must be for the aggressor. Us. If we do not stand are ground we become not just prey but a enemy too, that needs to be killed. One of the two I shot I shot for that same reason. To close of quarters to not deal with it then. As I had a clean shot. later??
it came up on me when I was laid out beside the trail taking a nap. Sniffed me over and then just moved on. Most any other time I would have given it little notes other than being another good encounter with life. But I was going to be there a while. And it was just too friendly. So I killed it. Out there you have no friends that come from nature. There all animals that will eat you if given the chance. better to have a peace of them on the spit than you in there tummy. If there not going to play by the rules. You must be the game ender.
Witch was more apparent with the second bear. It wanted to put a hurt on me bad. I looked it over after I shot it and could not find a single thing wrong with it. It just did not like me I guess.
Oh there was a mentioning of how bears do not eat in the spring time after waking up. This is true. But not because they eat grass. They eat grass like we eat salad. No its because there gut is full of usually pine or spruce needles. that they fill there gut with so they do not get hungry when there hibernating. takes a while to pass if you could only imagine. So not until the snows fully gone will they get aggressively hungry. Nothing to eat that time of year anyway.  
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on March 23, 2010, 10:41:17 AM
First off, you’re going to have pardon my crusty Paint program drawing, but it serves the purpose.

An ideal defense item for a bear attack is a multi-purpose walking stick/combat pole/lance, maybe 6’ to 7’ long, about the diameter of a shovel handle, and preferable out of hickory, so it’s good and solid, with some weight but not so heavy to tote around like oak.  But oak will do just fine.  Now, taper one end to a rather sharp point.  ‘Tis a great walking tool, when held with both hands a great combat weapon, and for a grizzly attack, a lance to pierce him through.  Most bears when attacking rise to their feet and lurch forward to pounce on you - - their way of gaining overpowering control.  If all comes to that stage, hold the shaft with both hands as shown in the sketch, with its butt firmly pressed to the ground, and direct the point shaft to take the bear in the heart area as it’s coming down on you, as you squat to the ground to give leeway for your weapon to do its job.  And hopefully you’ll have found your mark.... but either way, you’ll inflict some serious damage to old bruin and likely he will then retreat.  Remember this too, for maximized control, if right handed, use your left arm be the one holding the upper portion of the shaft (vice versa for left handed people).... much more accuracy control that way.  If short on long wood for a shaft, even a very long shovel handle of good material, will make a good stick.

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One thing to remember, an attacking bear will generally do the pounce, to over-power its prey, so stand tall so it has to go to an upright position to become dominate over you.  And then very vulnerable to your pointed shaft.  Should he succeed, the head and neck will likely be its primary target... they know very well the best kill zone on living things.  Same with cats (pussy winkles right up to lions), they all know the most vulnerable locations.  So when hiking in with gear and a back pack, ensure one is high enough to protect the neck and back of your head.

For hand to hand combat, with the stick held in both hands where you can swing it either way, you can surely deliver some very rude blows… a virtually knock a man off his feet in seconds.  Though the bear is much more of a competitor, it’s far better than trying to reason with him why he shouldn’t really munch your head off. Got acquainted to these sticks when very young and in the Scouts.  For a hand-to-hand thing, even your shovel would make a good weapon.

And for weary old seniors like I, le’ shaft make one great walking stick.  And for the fearful, a good confidence booster.

As Tom pointed out, don’t send out “oh he’s going to kill me” vibs, look him fair in the eye with every bit of conviction you can muster and emanate an energy that tells him its game over for him, should he be so foolish to test you.  Let him see your eyes studying where on its body you’re going to inflict the fatal injury.  But remember, you’re out there playing in his back yard, and like most property occupants, he’s going to want to check out who or what it is that’s so bold to invade his territory.

Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 23, 2010, 10:52:01 AM
I am thinking a 6 foot sword would work. Not much woudl make me fearful lol
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Five-Oh on March 23, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
I am thinking a 6 foot sword would work. Not much woudl make me fearful lol

Oh hell Dwayne.. Let's just hang a couple of grenades off our belts... Three seconds and it's a problem solved..

Fairly lightweight and no fuss, no muss ;)  <-good_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 11:04:52 AM
how about a little food for thought. chances are somewhat slim.  BUTTTTT <-d'oh-> <-d'oh-> <-d'oh-> <-d'oh-> jerry [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Five-Oh on March 23, 2010, 11:07:34 AM
Geezus :(
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 23, 2010, 11:10:09 AM
I recall seeing those photos. Hes lucky that its his back and not his stomach. Woudl be all over then for sure.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 23, 2010, 11:33:18 AM
Here is a link to an earlier discussion about bears. Some good stories.

BEARS & me & prospecting / you ? (http://gpex.ca/smf/index.php?topic=1591.0)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 12:12:59 PM
Thanks everyone for the replys!!!! They sure came quick!! I am looking into buying a gun, I just got my PAL, just for this reason. I think a shotgun is what I will be buying. A guy told me to load the first two shots with bird shot and shoot just in front of the bear to try and scare it off without hurting it much, than if he proceeds to attack the rest of the rounds should be slugs, and aim for the body not the head, as there head is built like a German tank. Another fact I have heard, is not to shoot off a gun as a noise maker, some bears relate this to a fresh kill, and will come to the sound looking for food.

Next I will buy a refillable air horn and pepper spray, all this should keep me feelin safe if I ever did have an acounter. Thanks again for all the info, lots to think about.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 12:19:25 PM
Hey Dwayne, I think I have a a solution involving a "sword" you mentioned. How about a bayonet??? A sword that shoots, doesnt get much better than that!!! Ide probly be the first to have a bayonet yeilding shotgun!! ;D
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 12:21:32 PM
Oh yeah, and Larry and juu907, Thanks for the pics........really made me feel better!!! <~ShOcK~>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 12:27:27 PM
Forget bird shot..... <-NO_>    load up with a couple of slugs and then 00 buckshot in your shotgun...better safe than sorry   <~ShOcK~>  <-good_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 12:27:51 PM
one last thing here then i will be quite. something that has worked well for me around camp is to rig up a noise alarm. as simple as mono fish line strung around the camp area rigged up to any thing that will make a racket when the line is engaged that will give you some warning. also a few empty aerosol cans smeared with bacon grease and spread around outside of camp will tend to chase them off when they bite into them and get a nasty taste. anyhow glad you are getting a shotgun. 870 rem. would be a good choice.   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 12:31:38 PM
juu907

Remington 870 is the perfect choice  <-good_> <-yahoo_> {-applause-}
It holds 2 slugs and 3 buckshot and does not jamb in a panic situation...
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 12:33:10 PM
Bacon grease and aerosol...sounds interesting!! I think the bacon grease would kinda lure them into my area first tho. Would be kinda funny to see a grizzly with a flourecent orange smile. [email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 12:35:55 PM
Remington 870, I will deffinatly look into that one. I was kinda thinking of a tactical with recoil...easier on the shoulder.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 12:42:07 PM
I checked into this with the owner of a gun shop and he used to teach the SWAT teams here in Vancouver...he said stay away from the pistol grips as it interferes with your aim...stay with the 870 stock it's nice and short to begin with. More control when you are looking into a Grizzlies eyes  ;D
If you shoot buckshot or slugs you could break your wrist with a pistol grip..... and not get your second shot off  <~ShOcK~>
They pack a pretty good whallop  <-hypnotized->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 23, 2010, 12:43:52 PM
One thing that I've found that works to keep wildlife with real sensitive noses out of camp, is a keep it clean around camp, MOTHBALLS most animals can't stand the smell of them put them in cans with a lot of holes in them so the smell can drift around, but place them where they wouldn't get rained on and they will last a little while, make a circle outside of camp a little bit, and then another circle of camp right close up, keep a good supply of mothballs in an air tight container for refilling, another thing I've come across, haven't tried it but a friend of mine who lives out at Cariboo River,year round, and has for the last 30 years, BLEACH soaked rags hung here and there and bleach on wooden door frames and windows, he swears by it, and it keeps the mice and squirrels out, if you can keep those pesty little critters out should maybe work on the bigger varmints as well.......Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 12:49:31 PM
Someone also mentioned Pinesol as a good camp perimeter deterrent   <-thinking->  {cool^sign}
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 12:50:27 PM
well a little clearing up here. dont cook the bacon in camp. do it at home.spread the cans out at least 100 yards all around camp not in it. any bears in the area already know you are there and may or may not investigate. but if they do they will find the cans before the find you. the let out a pretty impressive woof when they bite. down on one and generally figure this not a place to their liking. i have used this method for several years around the homestead during bad bear years and it has always worked both with both browns and blacks. if ol griz is sporting a fresh orange face i doubt it is smiling.   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 23, 2010, 12:58:13 PM
I'll have to try the spray bomb trick, sounds interesting, could see it working fairly well, might be a little against PETAs beliefs, would be funny as  {-censored-}to watch though, thinking that bear would be heading back for the hills a lot faste than it came downfrom them.........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 01:01:36 PM
 [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* Dayglo orange would be a hoot...and some Fluorescent yellow for night time  <-laugh-> <-laugh-> <-good_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Five-Oh on March 23, 2010, 01:06:51 PM
Someone also mentioned Pinesol as a good camp perimeter deterrent   <-thinking->  {cool^sign}
Read the same thing and tried it out in the Tulameen claims I was testing out last summer.. Never saw hide nor hair of bear nor cougar for the week we were in there... Mindya I had a couple of maniac but wimpy Weimers with me also ;)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
PETA. you mean people eat tasty animals right. you are correct about the mothballs they work very well. as for the bleach it also works. my favorite way with the bleach or ammonia is to hang a soda or other plastic bottle with a portion cut out of the side and then put a cup of either in it. bears are not only curious but they tend to like anything plastic. let him tip that up and get a face full. and you will hear a sound you will never forget. dont really hurt them but believe me they will avoid the area for quite awhile. i guess only imagination can limit the possible methods.   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Harry on March 23, 2010, 02:18:05 PM
I also read about pine-sol somewhere and was thinking of using it because there definitely is a griz in my area. Another idea I have is to buy a cross bow or a bow. Can use it as a lazy man's fishing rod when not primed as a paw stabber. 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on March 23, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
On the other thread suggested by GollyMrScience,  Re: BEARS & me & prospecting / you ?
the following was noted in a post:

Quote
My best "bear" dog was a small mix breed --- oh heck --- she was a mutt. When a beasty came around she would bark up a storm but was smart enough not to run into the bush on chase ---- she would just have made a tasty snack.

Have with you the family’s yappy little doggie?..... no sir-reeee.   All I picture is this.... pooch and you standing there, bruin appears at the edge of the clearing… Yappie-Face heads toward it and stops at a safe distance, then starts into sounding out its relentless, menacing and challenging squawking.  Old bruin then almost dies a thousand deaths laughing, downs onto all fours and starts heading for tender morsel.  Yappie-Face then realizes his bluff didn’t work, hightails it back between your legs to seek asylum, thereby forcing you to now be the pillar of protection for facing down a worked up, fangs showing, half starved, ½ ton work of enraged anger.  As for me, I think I’d sooner be standing there all by my own lonesome.  Morrow of the story - - some bears just don’t like disrespectful pip-squeaks, much the same as I.   Big is better. I mean Big.  But also bearing agility.


Tip:
If you’re running a camp and not wanting critters of any sorts messing around with stuff, place your goodies into some sort of storage container.... it matters not what it's made of.  And have with you a plastic bucket bearing a preparation you made before coming.  Place rhubarb leaves in to fill your container, then fill it with water.  No lid at this point, just set in the sun for a few days to ferment.  Put the lid on and take it with you to camp.  Then, dipper the fermented water all over the container, and anything else out of doors you don’t want a bear to eat.  They may sniff around but will never touch the item with the solution poured over it.  Same goes for a food locker.  The leaves of rhubarb are poisonous, and no animal, even bugs, will attempt cohabitation.  Such is also good for your garden.... deer may stop by, but all which will be evidenced is hoof marks, no nibbling away at the fruits of your labor.
  
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 02:47:29 PM
I remember reading in the forums last year, someone mentioned if a tazer gun would work. A simple reply was a you tube link showing a bull getting tazered. Funny as heck....the bull instantly stiffened up and dropped to the ground, once the shocking was over it got up and started charging the first person it seen. [email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 23, 2010, 02:52:56 PM
Interestingly, while doing a search on bear deterants, I found this Youtube video.

      YouTube
            - UDAP Bear Shock - Bear Electric Fence
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CquJLc6B9AE)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 04:01:13 PM
had a friend who lived on the kahiltna river most of his life. been so long since he had been to town he couldnt remember what one looked like. had one extre dish, fork, spoon,  knife, bowl and one extra coffee cup. any more company than that was too much. he has since passed on. had lots of bears in his area. what he found for a solution was an electric fence from the farm supply. he had one that would clip weeds if they grew up to it. he used a small solar panel to keep the battery charged. no more bear problems. you can buy a charger for as little as $40.00. add a small farm tractor battery for $20.00. wire and insulators for another $25.00.  add one of the small solar panels and your set to go for around $100.00. just dont get a snoot full and wander to far in the middle of the night to relieve your bladder.     jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on March 23, 2010, 06:30:08 PM
I checked into this with the owner of a gun shop and he used to teach the SWAT teams here in Vancouver...he said stay away from the pistol grips as it interferes with your aim...stay with the 870 stock it's nice and short to begin with. More control when you are looking into a Grizzlies eyes  ;D
I checked into this with the owner of a gun shop and he used to teach the SWAT teams here in Vancouver...he said stay away from the pistol grips as it interferes with your aim...stay with the 870 stock it's nice and short to begin with. More control when you are looking into a Grizzlies eyes  ;D
If you shoot buckshot or slugs you could break your wrist with a pistol grip..... and not get your second shot off  <~ShOcK~>
They pack a pretty good whallop  <-hypnotized->
If you shoot buckshot or slugs you could break your wrist with a pistol grip..... and not get your second shot off  <~ShOcK~>
They pack a pretty good whallop

TomCat
A pistolgrip shotgun won't break your wrist if used properly....I have shot 3" mag 549 grain slugs,3" mag 000 buckshot....it does take some practice learning to aim and getting use to the pumpkin size muzzle flash 7"-9" closer to your face. <-laugh->
I also recommend the Remington 870 with at least a 2 shot (Factory) magazine extension. 
 :)   
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 06:41:33 PM
I was just doing some research and will be buying a Remington 870!! Nicely priced too. I see that there are a few different types of 870's from Remington, so will probly see what the store has in stock. I think I will get whatever is the shortest for convenience. Seems like they all come with a 6 shot clip plus one in the barrel, but will make sure when I buy one. If that dont grow me balls in the bush I dont know what will!! :P
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 23, 2010, 06:52:15 PM
Surviving a bear attack or a deranged cow moose chasing you  {-censored-}and gone over hill and dale, will grow you a set you will be proud of.........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 06:55:37 PM
if someone is trying to sell you an 870 with a clip check real close. far as i know there is no such bird. one thing if you can get a synthehtic  stock. not as pretty but more durable. you are on the right trail.  cheers   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 07:07:08 PM
I was finding my info on a wholesale sporting goods store online, alot of them mention they come with a 6+1 capacity. 6 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber. I'm still fairly new to the firearms world so I might be misunderstanding it.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 07:09:09 PM
 [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* yeah the bigger the set get the slower you run....just unload the 870 and save your breath  <~ShOcK~>

Vikingsniper
You are correct it won't break your wrist if you know how to use them....but I don't think PJ wants to start with 3" Mag slugs and a pistol grip right out of the gate...he can always buy the retro stocks any old time...once he has run a few boxes to get the hang of it.
Many a shoulder has been dislocated from that kick.
We need PJ to focus on finding gold not a hospital  ;D <-good_> :)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 07:16:08 PM
The 870 I have holds 4 in the magazine and 1 the chamber.
Just don't go out in hunting season on your claim....you might have to answer a few tough questions  ;D
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 07:17:35 PM
6 in the mag and 1 in the chamber is correct. just did not want you get snookered. if you are new to firearms i strongly recomend you take a good firearms class or at least get together with a gunwise buddy for a little guidence and then find some where to practice and get used to your new gun. nothing worse than not being able to find the safety  when you really need it. also dont carry that round 7 in the chamber not good only load the chamber when you need it.   take care.   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 07:25:16 PM
6 in the mag and 1 in the chamber is correct. just did not want you get snookered. if you are new to firearms i strongly recomend you take a good firearms class or at least get together with a gunwise buddy for a little guidence and then find some where to practice and get used to your new gun. nothing worse than not being able to find the safety  when you really need it. also dont carry that round 7 in the chamber not good only load the chamber when you need it.   take care.   jerry

juu907 mine is a factory short (legel) 870 if I put that many shells in it I would blow the end of the magazine off  <~ShOcK~>  <-hypnotized-> and all of my shells would shoot out on the ground that could be all bad.... <-yes_> <-unsure_>

But it is true... there is no reason to store your gun with one in the chamber unless you were hearing big footsteps in the bush then you might want a little more insurance ;D
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on March 23, 2010, 07:26:46 PM
Yeah good point TomCat  {cool^sign} .....earlier in this thread someone said a Rem 870 can't Jam but they Can & Do  <-yes_> if you don't pull the pump back hard enough you get what is called a " Stove Pipe " if this happens in the wrong place at the wrong time your in Big Trouble....so Practice,Practice,Practice!!!....I know this never happens with a Mossberg 590 due to the dual extractors.
Stove Pipe  :(
 {-down-}   
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 23, 2010, 07:34:05 PM
Yeah good point TomCat  {cool^sign} .....earlier in this thread someone said a Rem 870 can't Jam but they Can & Do  <-yes_> if you don't pull the pump back hard enough you get what is called a " Stove Pipe " if this happens in the wrong place at the wrong time your in Big Trouble....so Practice,Practice,Practice!!!....I know this never happens with a Mossberg 590 due to the dual extractors.
Stove Pipe  :(
 {-down-}   

I have never had a jamb...however a friend with the same gun has...but he does his own reloads...cheap bugger....serves him right.
The Moss has the same problem and more with reloads I hear.
I keep the gun sqweaky clean and well mainained...so far no issues.  <-good_>

Having a jamb with a bear staring you down would probably make your heart stop and you would miss all of the excitement  <~ShOcK~>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 07:37:57 PM
well tomcat now you got me thinking now i have to dig mine out and check but i think 6 is right unless you have a plug in the mag which is required in some areas to hold capacity to 3 rounds. viking you are right about the stovepipe and like anything practice. once you develop a closing action it becomes 2nd nature.  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
Very good point guys!!! I will deffinately practice, until I feel comfortable with it. Luckily I have a couple friends that are into guns alot and know there stuff to help me out at the range.

They got a laugh when I started looking into guns and said I want something for bears, and I dont want to mess around, would a short barrel 10 guage be ok??? <-dont~know-> [email protected]*. I was serious. Go hard or go home right??!! Well I guess not in this curcumstance. Im sure that would have broken a wrist!! ;D
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 23, 2010, 07:56:37 PM
My shotgun of choice is a 14 inch barrelled 870 Remington. Factory issue so legal here in Kanuckistan. I sacrifice the extended mag for the ease of carry and fast in tight spots. I put an open sight on it that I can change out for a ghost ring site but experience has shown me that I can aquire the v notch faster. I have four plus one and once again experience has shown me that if things are not winding down by the third shot I am in big trouble. In actual real life two has been the most I have gotten off before the bear was on top of me. Thankfully it was enough.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 23, 2010, 08:03:09 PM
As for practice I built a "bear launcher" at the ranch to practice shooting at a charging mass.
Simple plywood ramp like a kids slide with a rope pull on a stick put across the top.
The stick holds back an old truck tire and when the rope is pulled the tire rolls down the launcher and comes at a guy real fast moving a lot like a bear meaning business.
In the off season I change shooting directions and the tire goes across the shooting range. A piece of cardboard across the hole and it is now a deer.
Tricky things them old tires.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 23, 2010, 08:13:28 PM
reg 870s are available with 6 or 7 round mags. mine has a 28" barrel and holds 6. pjstarchild. i used to own a spanish made matador 3 1/2 inch 10 ga. mag. dbbl. barrel. believe me you do not want a 10ga. in a shorty. mine had 32" barrels and was ruthless. only thing i have owned that was a little worse was a thompson contender in 45-70 with a 14" barrel and no muzzle brake. a friend of mine at 235 lbs could not fire it with his feet side by side and not take a step back. you are making a good choice. just practice practice.   get yellow.    jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 23, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
It would make me feel safer having one, and I would probly pan alot more having one, and that is the main thing here. Most importantly prevention is key, noise is cheapest and safe, and most effective. GollyMrScience, you do bring up a good point, that they are there faster than you want them to be, and two shots would be enough to prove your point. I work with a guy who had a bear encounter and said, by the time he seen it was there it started charging and he didnt even have time to get to his gun and shoot......luckily it was a warning charge, and the bear ran away after.

I have only developed this fear of bears now that I am older and have kids. When I was younger, I used to go fishing in the same general area, and after hiking down cliffs and crossing the river in 2 spots, just to get to a pool where a ton of fish always are, I would stand in the footprints of grizzlies and fish. Maybe this is what they mean by older and wiser.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: matscards on March 23, 2010, 10:28:43 PM
i to have been a lot closer to bears that i'd prefered a few times.only once with a sow and cubs and they were more intrested in the blue berry patch i was in than me.
fortunately there are only blacks in ontario,and they are fairly timid.i do remeber seeing a show about bears and some things i remember are stand tall make yourself look big ,never look a bear in the eyes as this is percevied as a fight challenge,never run,they are faster and see you as prey when you do,never climb a tree,they are better climbers.
all the years i've spent working in the bush(logging)i never saw a bear while operating.they hate the racket.radio,small generater would work as deterants
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on March 23, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
Mr. science. You mite see then the necessity in aiming at a shoulder than going for center mass. Trust me one shot and there not getting anywhere fast.
As far as my gun. Its a Remington 1100. Little hard on compression rings, but is fast on the trigger. 4 rounds turns into one.
Also like to dumb dumb slugs. This causes more tarring damage instead of a deep penetrating hit. Will tare a bears shoulder off. And can be effective at a greater distance.
Got the idea from the bear shredders. that has chunks of brass that is dumb dumb to cause it to tare into three peaces. Vary nasty rounds. The brass holds its shape so hits deep. But has a tarring action too.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on March 24, 2010, 07:39:54 AM
How effective would one of those "air horns" be at very close range?
(maybe include a roll of TP as well?)  ...Wil
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 24, 2010, 09:12:15 AM
I don't want to burst any bubbles here pjstarchild, but An aquisition and possession license will be required for any firearm in Canada. Add in the fact that it needs to be registered. You won;t be able to purshase the firearm at your Canadian Tire without it. It sounds like you need to aquire a new firearm and currently don;t have it in yoru possession.
If you purshase one under the table, go through a police or Conservation road check, be prepared to possibly be charged for unlawful possesion under the Criminal Code and lose your gun to boot) I am just giving you a heads up here and trying to keep your honest intentions from getting you into trouble) The last thing that you want is your prospecting trip to be ruined by this. Bears  will end up being the last thing on your mind when the Police Officer starts reading your Charter of Rights.
I would go and take the firearms course, get that out of the way. Be legal and enjoy your time out in the bushes.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 24, 2010, 01:20:11 PM
GMS...sounds like you have the same gun.
These short guns.. sure makes it easier to move around in the bush for sure  <-good_>
That is a great idea with the tire...I'm sure even the tire gets the adrenalin pumping  <~ShOcK~>

 [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*  Dwayne...I knew if we talked about guns we would awaken the sleeping bear  ;D :)

We certainly want to be licensed and carry all of the correct permits and paperwork....we are all trying to be prepared as much as we can against the big bears and yet have a great time searching for gold...knowing that we may have a chance of protecting ourselves to pan another day.

I does look like the 870 is the preferred last choice of bear deterrent, I think everyone has a great respect and admiration for these wonderful animals.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 24, 2010, 01:48:23 PM
I love the idea of packing a shotgun, aside from the fact that my gear already adds up to 65 to 75lbs (approximately) Personally, I'm going to go buy a big knife and call it a day. A 7 footer should cover it  [email protected]* [email protected]* Then a small one for myself if he gets by that lol
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 24, 2010, 02:13:28 PM
 <-laugh-> <-laugh->  A knife.....hummm .....I'd want something a little quicker...something like this..
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 24, 2010, 04:17:36 PM
Well now that kinda takes the avdenture out of bear hunting don't it   ;D   suppose an old tomcat like you probably duck hunts too..... <-laugh->  shame on you, how very unsportmans like, there autta be a law for people like you.... :D..wait a second, PETA is most likely coming knocking on your door as we speak..... ;) ;) :-*....play dumb and answer no questions nerd$#@ [^Crazy!#] [email protected]* [email protected]*..........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 24, 2010, 04:33:02 PM
 <-laugh-> <-laugh->  Heck I quit ducks ions ago   Safeway is much easier....I also realized I don't like the taste of duck......besides my eyesight is not as sharp as it was....might end up with a seagull these days  <-d'oh->

Tackling a bear with a knife or sword...sorta like a Matador ...I suppose I would need some spandex pants and those Mickey Mouse ears...that would really confuse big old stinky  ;D  <-hypnotized-> <-shock_>

Check out the AA12 shotgun on You Tube .......holy smokes...now that is fire power
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 24, 2010, 04:47:37 PM
Just took a look, man oh man I wanna get me one of those things, too much fun to be held by some..... <-shock_> <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_> <-good_>....Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 24, 2010, 05:32:28 PM
I have been planning on buying a gun for awhile now, just got my PAL in December so I just need to walk into a store and buy one. Talked to some hunters at work and they are in agreement with you guys, the Remington 870 IS the way to go!! No big rush for now as the place I have in mind isnt accesible till June usually.....hopefully earlier since the lack of snow this year, but still have to drive through slide areas which are still deep. Maybe a trip up the Wild Horse might be in order once my equipment comes in, not as much of a bear, or snow problem there.

Just can't wait to start panning this season!!! <-yahoo_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 24, 2010, 06:34:02 PM
Just took a look, man oh man I wanna get me one of those things, too much fun to be held by some..... <-shock_> <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_> <-good_>....Guest

Greywolf
Isn't that bad boy something else...I love the little mini grenade options... they would blow the tonsils out of a big grizzly.  ;D :)

Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 24, 2010, 06:47:45 PM
Ya know I used to think Bear Bangers were kind of fun NOT ANY MOREwonder how ya go about getting your hands on one of these, wonder if any of your companions down south would have a line <-wave-> ;D..............Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 24, 2010, 07:59:10 PM
sounds to me like cabin fever is really starting to kick in. quit messing around and get one of those 50cal sniper rifles. 3" moa at one mile. and of course theres always heat seeking stingers. you might get golly to tune them for bear heat only then lob a few out just before bed time, couple nights and i think you will be good for a couple of weeks.   <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_>    jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Harry on March 24, 2010, 08:06:18 PM
Greywolf, not too sure which part of B.C. you are in, but most of the bigger fishing and hunting stores have bear bangers available. If you're handy with a good knife you can even get them to fire a cartridge off.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 24, 2010, 09:16:55 PM
Oh bear bangers I can get just about anywhere, IT"S THE AA12 that I wanna get my mitts on, look out bears and claim jumpers......heheheheheheh  DEVIL&?? DEVIL&?? :-X [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*..........Greyywolf
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on March 25, 2010, 07:11:02 AM
Out in Saskatchewan and back when the world was flat a couple of us 14 year olds quietly "borrowed" my buddy's dad's 10 ga. (yeah, TEN) double barrel shotgun and went duck hunting.  It actually had hammers that fired the shells, a lot of rust all over and the barrels looked like 2 tank barrels welded together.  So we found a nice slough and sure enough, the ducks started comming.
Then we did the 'Mikey' thing--"you try it",
"No you try it"-----and so on. 
My buddy lost the argurment and went first but fear got the better of him so he puts his shoulder behind a fence post and the shotgun's butt in front of the post.  Then he fires the gun.
Somehow BOTH barrels went off at the same time as did the top of the fence post.  My buddy flew back about 5 feet , landing flat on his back.  He ended up going to the doctor and couldn't use his shoulder for about 3 weeks.
Now there's a bear gun!   [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* ...Wil
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on March 25, 2010, 10:45:16 AM
 Story I heard just before I left Alaska, about hand to hand combat with a bear. It happened out of Barrow somewhere I think?. Two Eskimo kids were walking back to there village and were being stoked by a polar bear. Brother told his sister to head to town.
He did not make it. But he was the last thing that bear ate. Pushed himself down its throat. Stabbing all the way.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 25, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
i remember that incident. as i recall all he had was a leatherman. spent time in barrow. kinda neat place in a strange sorta way. 5000 people and 5001 taxi cabs. <-wave-> <-wave-> <-wave-> jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 25, 2010, 10:56:58 AM
Little black bear story that happened down around 70 Mile BC a couple of years ago this time of year, guys out taking a walk down the road in around Green Lake and a black bear decides to go after his couple of small bear food mutts, well the guy goes after the bear with a stick, figuring on scaring it off, didn’t work the bear goes after him, so he grabs a bigger piece of wood up off the ground and brains the bear a couple of times, kills it, guess what , he had the Petas and Humane Society all over him, they thought he should have ran away and left the poor bruin alone, what part of bears don’t they get, ya can’t out run a bear, but proof in the pudding, Yea I walk through the Valley of Death, packing a great big stick, therefore I am the meanest SOB in the Valley...............Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 25, 2010, 11:13:18 AM
Hey greywolf, is this the one yoru talking about?


      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4-ZDQm2c2w)

Anyone watch predator? With Arnold? I like the grenade launcher idea
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 25, 2010, 11:18:36 AM
Yup, either happened last year or the year before.......Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 25, 2010, 11:20:07 AM
So, basically, who needs a knife or a gun when a stick will work. Juts pick any old one up off the ground and your in business.
Hard to beleive the guy survived the attack!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 25, 2010, 11:24:17 AM
If we think bears are nasty,  this Tiger kills a black bear in two seconds, then kills the cub just as fast.


      YouTube
            - Tiger kills Sloth Bear family. Caught on tape, very little trouble killing sloth bear family.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVfi3V7XQUU)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 25, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Here is a video of a grizzly charging a guy.


      YouTube
            - Bear Charges A Man!
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6GcWhlGF3o&feature=related)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 25, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
those of course false charges totaly different from the real thing. would still be quite unsettling. guess you could say this is a test. testing, testing.  ears up, no snapping jaws,  bouncy gait. , hair down ,no drooling. think the guy has some pretty big thingies  though. and i assume the guy with the camera had a really big thunder stick [!!DANCE!!] [!!DANCE!!] [!!DANCE!!]   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 25, 2010, 12:30:13 PM
While there are certain indicators of false charges there is no neon sign over their head and often things happen way too fast to take note of anything other than ohhhhhhh craaaappppp!!!!!!
I have also noted that many predatory charges or ambushes show characteristics similar to false charges. Heck sometimes the bear looks like he is just trotting over to say hi. Almost friendly like.
I treat them all as serious - even a love tap in passing can be real unfortunate plus the energy you project as being ready to ruin the bears day if he continues this foolishness likely acts to dissuade said bear from thinking of taking advantage of the situation and changing from a bluff to an attack.
A bluff attack is as much a test of your resolve as anything and if you blink the bear can switch gears easily. For instance if the bluff charge got someone to run the bear might quit or it might think you have moved way down on the food chain.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 25, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
How likely is it that a Grizzly will "false charge" you, rather than attack?? I know there are probly lots of variables here like cubs, territory, rut, spook.....but if it was curious and came to check you out, and finally you both are faced with each other, what kind of chances are there that it will even charge, not to mention false charge???

Probly a vague question with to many variables here, but thought I would try since I have no idea whatsoever!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on March 26, 2010, 10:11:51 AM
How likely is it that a Grizzly will "false charge" you, rather than attack?? I know there are probly lots of variables here like cubs, territory, rut, spook.....but if it was curious and came to check you out, and finally you both are faced with each other, what kind of chances are there that it will even charge, not to mention false charge???

Probly a vague question with to many variables here, but thought I would try since I have no idea whatsoever!!
Just as dangerous if not worse than a charge.
Because at some point your going to have to run it off. By spooking it without scaring it.
A low Growl works really good.
Chuck
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 26, 2010, 11:38:44 AM
 <~ShOcK~> <~ShOcK~>  I don't know about you guys....but I would have put a few rounds into him the second he started at me....maybe I am more of a chicken than most of you guys....but man oh man...that certainly would tighten the old sphincter muscle.  <-NO_>

These guys are crazy..the guy running the camera must be in a steel cage or something.... he does not even flinch.....wow

Or is this someones pet  <-thinking->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 26, 2010, 01:37:23 PM
I wondered that myself. Teh way he runs at the guy, turns around and runs around, makes me think of my border collie. he would do that. He loved it in fact. This bears looks like he wants to play in my eyes.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 26, 2010, 07:59:24 PM
If I had a chance to blow off a few rounds at it too I would regardless if it was a false charge or real, best be on the safe side, but was kinda askin incase I couldnt get to my gun in time when I did see it chargin.

What a crazy video <~ShOcK~>. They must be trainers or something, or have a set of nuts made of cast iron, they dont even flinch.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Harry on March 27, 2010, 03:30:13 PM
I went out to my claim a few days ago and squirted pinesol mixed with a little water on the griz scat and onto trees about a foot up along side the trail. I went out again today to check on my claim and found no new griz scat like I was finding every other time this past week and a half that I went out. Not too sure if the griz just moved on or the pinesol actually works and chased him elsewhere.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Five-Oh on March 27, 2010, 05:46:34 PM
I went out to my claim a few days ago and squirted pinesol mixed with a little water on the griz scat and onto trees about a foot up along side the trail. I went out again today to check on my claim and found no new griz scat like I was finding every other time this past week and a half that I went out. Not too sure if the griz just moved on or the pinesol actually works and chased him elsewhere.

I wasn't out on my claims long enough last year to notice a difference.. :(

Hope it's the Pinesol and you can keep us appraised..

In any event I will be this year and will be repeating the same process only this time I'll have a Remi 870 with me just in case :) ...

Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: PlacerPal on March 27, 2010, 06:27:52 PM
Things that go Boom!

With all the talk about things that go boom, gives me an idea to use when working on a claim.
Boombox!

Maybe a good use for that Boombox my daughter left at home in storage years ago.
Some of the tapes and CD's I have tried in it - Metallica, ABBA and other types
of music that hurt my ears. Load of the Boombox with the tapes or CD's, set to replay,
hang it in a tree, etc. away from the working area, turn up the volume and bass to full,
and it should warn anything away, including a Grizzly or Brown! Oh yes, add a 12V
gel cell or larger battery for an all day power supply.  ;D

From reading Bearwatch and Bearaware websites about the habits of grizzlies and black bear
and also talking to native or Metis woodsmen in the Interior of B.C. I got some tips.

In the spring when the bears first come out of hibernation, in the mountains they usually
head upland to where there have been avalanches. Apparently the avalanches do take out
some sheep, goats and maybe deer and keep them in the deep freeze until the snow melts.
Ready frozen dinner meals for the bears.

Then when the early berries are ripe, the bear move down to the berry patches. Grizzly 
claws are adapted for digging and they go for the fresh tubers and roots like Indian Potatoes.

Then comes the annual salmon migration. This is a very dangerous time to be working a
claim near the river. Cannot mess with a grizzly's food supply.

Next comes hunting season and a time to be bear wise. Two hunters last fall way back in
the backwoods near Cranbrook learned a lesson. Don't camp overnight on a trail in
grizzly country. They were attacked in the middle of the night while sleeping in their tent.
Apparently they set up the tent in the middle of a trail the grizzly bear used.

Rutting season for the grizzly is also another time period to be extra cautious. They are
very territorial and mean then.

Routine signs of grizzly habitation on a claim for me and the claim is left to lapse to those
who collect them! They may never go there anyway.  ;D

 :)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 27, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
I was wondering about a radio too....probly a good idea!! Not sure about playing Abba tho, my luck that would be the day someone else decided to hike the same area....  [!!DANCE!!] :o [email protected]* ;)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 27, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
What the heck, are you afraid that they might hear you playing .....THE DANCING QUEEN ;D....or MAMA MIA ;D.....actually I have always liked ABBA.....there I came out of the closet... <-laugh->......also like Cher, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow, Lady GaGa, Celine Dion, nothing like a women singing when you're out there 100 miles from no where, but thinking that Celine Dion or Susan Boyle may act more as an attractant more than a deterrent... ;D........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: PlacerPal on March 27, 2010, 10:35:49 PM
Bacon and Black Bears
They don't mix!

Chubby wife and I were working on a claim up on Boulder Creek that flows into the Wildhorse River
with some great friends from AB. That would be near Cranbrook. Nice people we have from AB.

One AB friend is a veteran woodsman - travels fast and light but fully equipped for anything.
Thorough in every thing he does, from prospecting to fully documenting everything on video and camera.

Early one morning, we could smell bacon - veteran woodsman from AB was cooking breakfast.
About 15 minutes later, fat Black Bear showed up quite close to his van and camp stove with its
nose high in the air. Tense few moments but a few rocks thrown at it and it ambled off.

Have we learned something? Certain food smells will easily attract the Black Bear in August?

So what smells in the air will repel or cause an avoidance?  Drives them off? 

Maybe nothing since they love garbage and they are omnivores?  <-dont~know->

 <-thinking->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 27, 2010, 10:47:51 PM
Well on a clear crisp, morning I can smell coffee or bacon from around 200 feet away, and I’m a smoker,, my sense of smell is really bad, now a bear or other wildlife is going to be able to pick it up a lot farther away, anyone that is dumb enough to just go cooking away without any regard to wildlife is really getting out there, nuff said about those guys, can’t really do much for them……………Greywolf
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on March 28, 2010, 07:25:05 AM
Metallica and other  hard driven music. Seems to me, to reflect best on hew we are to nature.
It is not soft and spongy like other music, that panders to the senses. But I am not one to ever just pass the time sitting in neutral. There’s always more ground to gain. Always more truth of experience from dreams built from my memories. But know things of deeper meaning from not avoiding the hard won stuff in the years that I could do what I could. Things that will remain when the light dies and go’s out,
The harder music  was for tarring down walls. Walls that blind with adhocracy.  That are shifting lies of a world of consumption. Bent on control. And domination over all nature.
And in its wake left me naked to truth. Were I now build new walls. To clothe my soil. From the harsher environment of the human world. Where new ideals and thinking are a mistake and are not vary well thought of. Even if right! Every one hates a critic! And either by speaking it or by example. The one with the actual truth is hated and despised.
But that is only for the ones that try to look good for what they know. Try to show off while they reveal what they know. And wined up building up, the same walls they strove so long to tare down.
No!, to present any truth to this world it must come from under the radar. From inconstancy and a seemingly lack of balance. Madness!! <-shock_> <-shock_>  <-laugh-> <-laugh->.  <-laugh-> <-laugh-> <-laugh->!
It is why I write this stuff into topics that it really dues not apply to directly.
Here in the back waters of the internet. Under a topic on bears I can express things in ways that dues not directly influence any established walls that all face. Not just prospectors!
Were I loose people on the form, is when I am speaking to that bigger audience, that can't hear me. So put little energy towards it.
But I do little rewrites or removals. I wrote it like how it felt so have no shame. And do not care about how it sounds. Those sounds will improve with my own site. Were I will have no concerns for language. Many enjoy the youthanisems that leave the reader to understand at there own leavel of comprehention. One word can in some texts show things as they mite be found by the writer. Stuff the reader may never know. But still can understand the meaning of. 
My real energy go’s to what I know and care about. like prospecting and general life in the woods. There I do have hart for. But have had to keep the polish off of it too. Things were not ready to fire up yet. So I have waited. And bided my time. Building on a platform.
One from the out side looking in must seem unstable. Built from the inside out. And if it was not for invention. It would take two life times to get to a solid stable thing.
The rockers dun!. And only wait now on moneys for experimentation on application. Witch could still make a release date two months from now. Maybe? I have built so much adjustment into it. That all my hand rockers methods of use no longer apply. Even the work load. 10 hours of working is 10 hours of fishing or looking for better gold. Except for feeding the hopper every half hour or so. It works all on its own. And is as nearly fully automated as it will ever get.
Its not only going to find gold. 'It will find dreams too'! if not just the time for them.
Working 9-5 Is not living.
And this is my way of shouting at the devil.
Soon I will have the bear by the tail again. And think he is going to really run for me this time.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on March 28, 2010, 09:19:44 AM
This is some of the best Bear information I have ever read.....Keep in Mind this document was written when Bear Spray was being tested and fairly new to the market.
 {-down-}
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 28, 2010, 09:53:09 AM
Thanks Vikingsniper, very good read, have copy and pasted to a file for classroom handout, thanks again, everyone here should keep a copy for reaing intimes of need.........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 28, 2010, 09:53:37 AM
Some very good info there!! Well I never expected my question and fears to become such a hot topic, I guess I'm not the only one, not to mention it is probly the number one danger a prospector can face. Well I need to thank everyone who took the time to add to this, because I do feel much better about going out alone in the woods, even if I dont have a gun with me. Noise and a keen eye to the surroundings is key. From this I will be adding a radio to my equipment...Metallica is probly my choice....lol, probly staying away from Celine as thinking about it, she might draw in a bear sounding like a dying animal in distress. :P

So lets keep this going!!!! Does alot of this info and precautions apply to Cougars???? <-thinking->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 28, 2010, 11:55:27 AM
very good vikingsniper. about the only thing he didnt mention in the case of a brownie pick a good sized tree if possible. i have watched a brown more than once stand up and place his front paws on 6" trees shake them a couple of times and fell a tree faster than greywolf would with his saw.

also the radio thing can work quite well. several years ago some friends built a fishing lodge on the deshka river. they built a farily substantial smoker for their clients who wanted to take home smoked salmon. needless to say disaster struck right away. that is black bear country which as far as i am concerned can be more problem than browns around a camp and they can be just as aggressive. i have had to put down two over the years at distances of about 5 feet. both two year old boars who hadnt learned the ropes yet.

any how back to the radio. we had a radio station in anchorage the played non stop heavy metal 24 hrs.  i suggested they place a radio tuned to that station near the smoker and leave it on plus throw out some moth balls around the area. was a little aggrivating the first couple of nights but the tourists thought it made a good story to tell back home and after awhile it was turned down so not so bad at night. and no more bears in the smoker.   <-wave-> <-wave-> <-wave->   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: matscards on March 28, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
very intresting to note the diffrences between species of bears,for instance i had no idea that grizzlies won't climb as i've seen blacks do it.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: AndyF on March 30, 2010, 06:16:35 AM
    I like the 6ft pole idea, but I'd put on a razor sharp steel version of a Clovis point, and forget the walking stick. Swinging that and you'd be slicing off slabs. You could also throw it as last resort.

    For dogs there is a European bear dog that has a breed here in Canada. I think someone in BC is selling them. If memory serves me I think it's the Pyranees, or Italian origin. These are know to take the fight to the bear and are absolutely fearless. In any case I think it'd be best to start with a pup and have him come on trips until he learns not to wander. He could be introduced to bear scent early and made to react in any way you want him to.

    Andy   


Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 30, 2010, 08:07:59 AM
HI Andy, are you talking about the Akeda? They are apparently bear dogs. I know that they are big hair balls lol. They look aggressive, but are actually quite friendly, esepcially when you weild those jerky treats lol. Also, I am not sure how applicable this is, but I watched Mythbusters. They wanted to test guard dogs and see if there was a way around their  guarding instinct, They found that food works the best, AKA- Meat! So, maybe packing around a steak may be the answer??Or not lol
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on March 30, 2010, 09:13:59 AM
The dogs I have seen used are called Karelian Bear Dogs and they are used in a form of aversion therepy. They chase bears out of camps etc and the bears learn to avoid the place.
As a breed they remind me of a sort of boxer body with Shepherd ears and a semi pointed muzzle. They are deployed and handled by trained "bear shepherds" - often in pairs.
From the couple of times I have seen them released they LOVE chasing bears. They rarely engage but rather run 'em around in circles offering maxmum irritation and frustration while avoiding injury. After awhile the bears just stay away from anywhere that they have encountered those dogs and even the sound of the dogs barking puts experienced bears on the run.
I kinda like the idea but not sure if I want to be responsible for another mouth or two to feed.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on March 30, 2010, 06:39:32 PM
Cougars    <~ShOcK~> <~ShOcK~>

Yeah....they are a whole new beasty you don't want to be messing with..... <-NO_>

You can usually hear or see a bear....Cougars are STEALTH  and dangerous kitty cats..you can't out run them, you can't out climb them...you can't see them, you can't hear them, you can't smell them
They are back attackers and like to bite you on the back of the neck ....to paralyse it's prey...nice ehh ???
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on March 30, 2010, 07:00:23 PM
The best way to hunt Cougars is use dogs to " tree & shoot "  <-yes_>
Dwayne
Yes Akita are Japanese bear hunting dogs but used in Packs...my friend has two, they are big dogs...experts say the male Akita have the same skull structure as a Grizzly bear.   
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 30, 2010, 07:49:41 PM
Has anyone ever had a cougar sneak up on them??? Are they curious like a bear? Would a radio scare them away too?

Back to the dogs.....How would a labrador retreiver react to a bear in the wild? Labs make great family pets, especially around children and do not bark as much as many other dogs, but how are they in the bush? Bait them in or chase them away? I just dont want a dog (if I get one) to be playing in the bush while I pan and attract a bear, only to see it and come running back and hide behind me.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 30, 2010, 08:29:51 PM
for around $150.00 you can get a solar electric fence charger including battery that can charge 10 miles of fence. you should be able to double or triple wrap your claim and pan like a champ and sleep like a baby.  <-wave-> <-wave-> <-wave->  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 30, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
I keep hearing about the electric fence defence, so they must work quite well. But for me at this time I am still in the prospecting stage and will be hunting around for "my special spot". So a fence is not practical yet. Once I find my special spot tho, I will deffinately give that some serious thought. I have been saving some old aerosol cans from work as well. If I find a good spot, I want to leave a bunch in the area smeared with bacon grease. I really hate leaving stuff in the bush in a bad way, but if it is for safety reasons mainly my safety I will do it. I am also planning on buying a GPS unit down the road, so maybe I can pin each spot I leave one, to check on it, exchange them for a fresh one or clean them up when I am done in the area.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: PlacerPal on March 30, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Electric Fences

PJ, in B.C. sometimes they work well and other times they do not work at all.
Depends on the soil.

Family members have acreage on the Sunshine Coast. Recently both retired and they like to
garden and landscape. But the deer are numerous and were eating everything as soon as it sprouted.

They went to a farm supply and bought an electric fence system. But it did not keep the deer away.
Deer simple sniffed the wire and jumped over it.

Hmm.... they thought - not enough power so they bought the next larger power supply.
Same thing, the deer ignored the electric fence. Finally the most powerful power supply available
was purchased with the same results. Deer ignored the electric fence.

After some inquires at the farm supply, the dealer came out to the acreage, had a look around and
said - the electric fence will never work here.

Reason - when the deer sniff or touch the fence, their body has to conduct the electric current back
through the soil to the power supply. The gravel on their acreage is not mineralized, so no current flow.

Finally result - they purchased and installed 700 ft of high metal fence the deer cannot jump over.

Moral of this story. The soil has to be tested to see if it will conduct current. And not only around the
power supply but for most of the fence line. Big job.

Boombox is cheaper and maybe more effective.   ;)

 :)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on March 31, 2010, 07:24:09 AM
Option fifteen. Hire a couple of gun wielding bandidos to stand guard while you pan during the day, and sleep at night.

On a serious note, the boombox may be the best idea. I see that they have wind up ones that last for days now. No batteries required.
Of course, I have heard of crazy bears that aren't right in the head, attack just becuase they hate life.

I would stay home, it may be safer lol
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: MrDave on April 01, 2010, 09:57:53 PM
I had to skip a couple of pages there, so sorry if I cover something  that has already been covered.

If you are looking for a nice fence system, you need to look at the solar powered models available for us farmers. The spark will jump up to three inches on a foggy day. I have seen animals get hit so hard the deficate as they turn and run. Thinking of picking one up for remote campsites that I use. The best way to use these is attach small tin foil pie plates form your hot wire and have the ground wire about a foot lower than the hot wire. Nothing will walk threw it, and most animals will sniff the dangling pie plates out of curiosity.

I have spent enough time in the bush to know that if there is a bear there, he knows I am there. I don't bother being quiet unless it is hunting season. Keep them aware you are there and you won't be bothered. They really have no interest in meeting you.
 Any encounters that have been close enough to make me sweat, have happened so fast, that the idea of leaning a sharpened stick to kill the bear makes me laugh. If the bear is going to come at you with intent, a little stick the size of a 1 1/2 dowling would not do much but really (censored) him off. You won't have the time to do much but scream. There is a hunting forum that I visited in the past has a video posted that demonstrates how little time you have. I am going to find it tomorrow night and link it for you. I bet the fellow had less than 5 seconds to react.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 01, 2010, 10:16:27 PM
mrdave. i like the idea of two wires. that would eliminate placerpals problem. cant believe i havent run into that before. and bears are of a curious sort so the pie plates are another stroke. think it would work quite well. <-good_> <-good_>   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on April 02, 2010, 03:36:47 AM
Nothing on a bear hurts more than its nose. And even a low volt shock would work good. Something to sniff, that would shock, would work awesome as a deterrent. but would mix it up some so he isn’t going to know what is going to shock him next. A pop can or any peace of metal trash you mite have with you.
But would be leery putting it up to close to camp thou. As right in camp. If a bear gets a going in one direction nothing smaller is going to stop it. And if one way hurts its going the other. And if there is a tent or guide rope in the way. look out!
Bear got tangled in the strings holding my brothers tent ones. My brother thought he was getting attacked but after it was over the tracks said it all.  Bear tried to bolt from camp but hit the line. Could of accidentally mauled my brother. Just trying to get free.
Witch did not take long. But bet it sure shook that tent hard.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: cdutz on April 07, 2010, 10:43:57 AM
form my piont of view it is. Igo up to germanson the last couple of years i have 2 dogs plus bear spray. DON'T set up bait a few miles  away from camp.OR listen to timothy tredwell look were it got him, you respect them they do respect you. an electic fence around camp is good make sure your camp is clear of garbage hang your food 200yards from camp and dogs are not always a good thing becauce they bring the bear to you. i was a guide in northern bc for 15 years always had a bell un 1 pack horse to let them know we were comming never had a probable. BUT you do get that 1 bear that is old grumpy that don't care. best advice is bear spray and a bell MAKE NOISE.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: cdutz on April 07, 2010, 10:52:53 AM
the raid or off raid is better, IT works seen it done the bear never came back it's usually black bear then grizz.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: cdutz on April 07, 2010, 11:07:34 AM
THE GUN DOESNOT WOORK UNLEES YOU ARE PAKING ITit easy to pack bear spray than a gun nless you have a pistol try to get a permittrust me bearspray does work i was not a fan of it till last year.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: coastalguy on April 09, 2010, 02:55:59 PM
I will be panning this year in grizz country...alone and was thinking of getting one of those rear view mirrors cyclists use.  I think if either clips onto your hat.  That way you could be bent over on a stream and watch your back.  Anyone tried that yet?

Gary
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on April 09, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
I have my list. Bear spray, big bowie knife and if none of that works, a can of pepper to ram down its throat!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on April 09, 2010, 03:24:54 PM
Great idea CoastalGuy  [-1st-]  <-good_>  [-1st-]  the thought never even crossed my mind  <-d'oh->
There is also newer "Spy" sun glass with semichrome finish on each lens.

      YouTube
            - Spy Sunglasses
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULBZjFMSiKI)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 03:33:22 PM
Cool idea!! Its the warning that worries me......."Objects in mirror are closer than they appear"  nerd$#@
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on April 09, 2010, 03:35:46 PM
Cool idea!! Its the warning that worries me......."Objects in mirror are closer than they appear"  nerd$#@

Great point pjstarchild  [email protected]* [email protected]*  <~ShOcK~>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 09, 2010, 04:00:24 PM
22cal. pistol best bear gun ever. load with 22 shorts, never pan alone, bear charges . shoot panning buddy in either kneecap, if on a hill run run downhill, bears do not run as well downhill. only hang up you will now need to find a new buddy. also some bears will hear a gun shot as a dinner bell just like a chainsaw is a great moose call <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_>   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on April 09, 2010, 04:35:06 PM
Well..... this is something I've been considering for years now, but never got around to it.  Add to the trusty bear fence, the following.  Pick up one of those battery operated cassette players, then gear it up to a couple of good speakers with an output amp, then get or do up a tape of a large pack of extremely vicious lunatic-like dogs all trying to outbark the other.  One flip of the switch on that little honey and I'm sure no bear in his right mind, or in that fact, cougar, too... would stay within two miles of you.  You could even click it on every once in a while to warn away critters in far away distant canyons to keep the blazes clear of your camp.  If you want to really get sassy about it, gear the player to turn on via a set of good laser motion sensors.  I am currently waiting for the company that makes an excellent brand to call me back, as I'm waiting to see what kind of deal can be had if a number of us chose to go that route.  I know I am.  See the brand below... they are A-1

(http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/thumbs/secolarmlasersensors.jpg)[/url]][url=http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/secolarmlasersensors.jpg](http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/thumbs/secolarmlasersensors.jpg)[/url] (ftp://[url=http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/secolarmlasersensors.jpg)

woof  woof !  .... or I mean GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR  NARLLLLLLLLLl !!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 05:06:49 PM
I like that idea!!  {cool^sign} Plus it is alot easier to set up and take down than a fence too, so portable is better. Im up for one of these systems. Im sure a loud horn would work just as well as the barking dogs.

If ive been face down in a creek and in my own little world and all of a sudden I heard some loud, vicious sounding, barking dogs .....I bet I would beat that bear in a race for safety!!!! <~ShOcK~>

Or better yet, maybe they could also make it bullet proof!!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 09, 2010, 06:14:12 PM
i guess you will sleep soundly at night with all that going on every couple of hours also. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz               help someone dial 911   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on April 09, 2010, 07:27:51 PM
My best prevention technique is bring a partner. Not only do critters avoid ya more but misery loves company.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 07:42:50 PM
Well put Mr.Science.......and better yet, make sure you can run faster than your partner.  ;D
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 09, 2010, 07:49:29 PM
blast it pjstarchild what dont you understand about the 22 cal shorts? ;D ;D ;D ;D  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 07:55:54 PM
That works too, but if your partner makes it out.....it is hard to explain your gun just went off several times in your panic.....ironically hitting him in the knee every time, while he was running circles and jumping.  <-dont~know-> [&whistle#]
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 09, 2010, 08:05:11 PM
key word  panic. nother key word dont. otherwise tis all for naught make sure insurance is paid up. gravesites are not cheep.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 08:15:51 PM
I see your point!! Might be easier from this point of view....In Canada it is illegal to pack a pistol in the bush, BUT, you can pack a shotgun. One quick "accidental" shot "while panicing" should suffice. So same thing but politically correct for a Canuck.  DEVIL&?? But I would never do that!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on April 09, 2010, 08:23:45 PM
You could just pepper spray your bait/partner and the bear can eat spicy thai food.  <-yes_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 08:59:41 PM
I have heard some really brilliant, practical, common sense, educated, and even illegal advise in this forum, but Mr.Science and juu907, you basically sum it all up proving that a weaker, (or wounded) partner is the best defence on surviving a bear attack.  {-applause-}

I have been saving aerosol cans, will be buying a shotgun (very soon), adding a loud portable radio to my equipment, pepper spray, and now to top it off, a nieve partner  [^Crazy!#] .

I feel so, safe and confident, now in the grizzly infested mountains of BC, that not only will I have the chance of finding a gold flake, but I might find Osama BinLaden!!!!!  <-yahoo_>

Thank you everyone for your concern and wisdom!!!!!  {-applause-}

This post has been going for a while now and is still proving new ideas.....lets keep it going!!!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: PlacerPal on April 09, 2010, 09:20:43 PM
Mr. Science is correct - aways prospect with a partner. 2 sets of eyes and ears are much better than one set
which even may be hard of hearing too!

No partner? Then take the Mother-In-Law. No bear movement within 1000 yards without detection night or day! 
No Mother-In-Law? Got a couple available Free - no charge! Come and get 'em - please!  <-laugh->

On Bear Spray, if none available, there is an email message going around that recommends Wasp Spray as
a substitute, cheaper and easier to get. Apparently the Wasp Spray will send a stream up to 20 ft  to reach
the nests. Can't say if the info is true or not.

I was also thinking - smudge pot like we used to use before OFF. I believe bears are terrified of fire and smoke
after eons of experience. No open fire, just a self-contained smudge pot with evergreen needles. Something for
the Mother-In-Law to tend to and keep her busy!   [email protected]*

 :)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: trimguy on April 09, 2010, 09:44:53 PM
Read entire sign, especially the last line.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 09:45:52 PM
 [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* <-laugh-> OK PlacerPal, Best answer yet!!!!!  [email protected]* The mother in law!!!! She can be in charge of smearing the trees with bacon grease, at leased a few hundred yards away.  DEVIL&?? [email protected]* if you only knew......not only am I fine tuning my bear survival tecniques, but I am...........oh this is good!!!! [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*

Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 09:51:23 PM
 [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* <-laugh-> <-laugh-> ;D ;D :) :).....OK I just got off the floor from laughin, and realised, you made a very good point, within all the comical jargin,........smoke!!!!!! Are bears really afraid of smoke??? I think I heard that somewhere too. I think you might be right and onto something!!!!!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on April 09, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Over 140 replies and still learnin!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks all!!!!!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 09, 2010, 10:01:42 PM
trimguy. read that warning to my wife. took me about ten minutes. still got tears in my eyes. havent laughed that hard in quite awhile. [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*  thanks.  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on April 10, 2010, 08:18:43 AM
Juu, I guess that means your wife won't be joining this forum now) [email protected]* [email protected]*This is all top secret stuff, anyone with wives or mother in-laws, should not be reading this top secret bear survival information Bulletin,  and that includes your unsuspecting gold prospecting buddy that you tend to shoot in the knee caps at the first sign of a bear lol
Great post!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on April 10, 2010, 09:08:48 AM
Here is an honest to god true story.
In about 1980 I had claims in the Tulameen area. I was prospecting with a partner who was terrified of bears. He had never met one in real life but he had all the scareds as if they wuz about to drag him from the tent and eat him.
As we came up out of one branch of a creek and to high ground we passed through a portion of open area that had been logged off.
I was in the lead as we came to the brow of a low hill and I heard him remark - "Hey tracks - looks like bear foot".
The day before we had spotted what looked like human bare foot tracks in the sand of the creek. Very LARGE human prints and I was curious as heck about the potential for Bigfoot.
When he said he saw bare foot prints I thought he had spotted more of our nekked NBA star indicators.
Thinking we might be about to come upon said nudist I stopped and started scanning the tree edge in hopes of spotting our large footed quarry.
Not taking my eyes off the trees I asked whch way they were going.
My parner was not a bush guy -not a hunter and not very good at this Daniel Boone stuff so there was a pause.
He said -"There's only one print"
I then asked how big it was - "Bigger than MY foot" he replied.
Ah HA!!! Bigfoot legend fame was upon us!
Which direction is it going? Long pause -confusion evident. "I dunno because I can't see any others and there should be like four right?"
Now it was my turn to pause as I switched mental gears.
"Oh you mean a BEAR foot. Not a BARE foot"
He thought I was jerking  him around and I admit I was getting a bit frustrated as my large hairy ape man was going the way of every other lottery ticket I had bought.
For a few seconds there was something from an Abbott and Costello routine.
A bare foot?
Ya a bear foot?
Do you mean a bare footprint?
Thats what I just said!!!
Are you telling me its a bare footprint or a BEAR foorprint??!!!
What are you TALKING ABOUT????!!!!!!!
I turned towards them and yelled BEAR!!!!!?
 :o  <-shock_>  <~ShOcK~>
The guy literally jumped about a foot in the air and when he hit the ground he was running. He went by me and over the hill dropping his pack to get him more speed.
I stood there kinda perplexed and then heard him coming back.
He crested the top of the hill and came back towards me - eyes the size of dinner plates.
Turns out as he came over the hilltop his bear was standing right there 50 feet away. Probably coming over to see what all the arguing was about.
It didn't chase him and as he went by I grabbed his jacket and stopped him to calm him down. He couldn't talk but he pointed up the hill and just then the bear sorta just stuck his head up trying to scout things out. My partner made a funny noise like air going out a balloon and fell over backwards. The bear and I eyeballed each other for a sec and he turned away and left - probably thinking we two were prize idiots.


Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on April 10, 2010, 09:27:45 AM
 [email protected]* [email protected]*I like that one, can see something like that really happenin, have a little story of a fool from up Ft Nelson way, winter of 98-99.
Was working running fellerbuncher, when this guy came on the radio, screaming about getting bite by a bear, this guy was understandably freaked out, so well we are trying to find out where he is so that someone can go help him out, this guy is holding his mike button down and jumping from channel to channel, not understanding that if we can’t talk to him we can’t find him.
Turns out this guy had a deadly fear of bears, so bad that Canfor had sent this guy to Prince George earlier in the year to take a whole bunch of bear aware classes and even counselling to get over his fear, some that day out in the bush he had been running block boundaries and had come across a hibernating black bear in a pile of brush and snow, so to prove to himself that he wasn’t afraid of bears any more he had gotten on top of the brush pile/den and did a little dance and all the stupid things he could think of, turns out he woke the bruin up, so it comes out and bites him on the leg, he sprays paint in it’s eyes, bear goes back into den and goes to sleep again.
But now this guy is running around screaming bloody murder and is a total basket case,   turns out that Canfor wasted their money, bear ended up getting shot, guy ends up going to PG for extended counselling on Canfor’s ticket again, some people, just have no commonsense..............Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 10, 2010, 09:29:17 AM
mornin dwayne. guess i didnt  see the stipulation about wives. my bad but too late now sides she is my prospecting buddy and has a bigger gun than i do (444 marlin) mine is a 357 ( fmj ). 44s and 454s are just to darn heavy. and sometimes a 12 ga. 870. any how after almost 50 years kinda hate to lose her. and what kinda guy do you think i am. i didnt say i use the buddy/22 system merely mention that exists and works very well for some folks. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)   jerry





                                                                          good bear stories guys whos on second 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Rhino on April 10, 2010, 09:37:57 AM
Say hello to my lil friend...
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on April 10, 2010, 10:48:28 AM
I kinda like the mother in law spreading bacon grease out around the camp.
Why not just cut to the chase and spread bacon grease on the mother in law. That way she will be the first thing the bear checks out. And probably the last thing too. I figure its an even match till the mother in law starts talking, then if the bear just doesn't keel over on the spot it will run itself off a cliff. I know I've been tempted a couple of times. LOL
The cliff part...not the bacon grease.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 10, 2010, 12:36:25 PM
 [email protected]* [email protected]*  you guys do realize that the old saying hell has no fury like a woman scorned has a mistake in it. should read hell has no fury like a mother in law scorned. just a friendly heads up. and placer are you guys over there  allowed two wives? i think that is how you get mother in laws. boy talk abouyt living the hard life. hats off to you.  <-NO_> <-NO_> <-NO_> <-NO_> <-NO_>  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: coastalguy on April 11, 2010, 05:44:56 AM
Well..... this is something I've been considering for years now, but never got around to it.  Add to the trusty bear fence, the following.  Pick up one of those battery operated cassette players, then gear it up to a couple of good speakers with an output amp, then get or do up a tape of a large pack of extremely vicious lunatic-like dogs all trying to outbark the other.  One flip of the switch on that little honey and I'm sure no bear in his right mind, or in that fact, cougar, too... would stay within two miles of you.  You could even click it on every once in a while to warn away critters in far away distant canyons to keep the blazes clear of your camp.  If you want to really get sassy about it, gear the player to turn on via a set of good laser motion sensors.  I am currently waiting for the company that makes an excellent brand to call me back, as I'm waiting to see what kind of deal can be had if a number of us chose to go that route.  I know I am.  See the brand below... they are A-1

(http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/thumbs/secolarmlasersensors.jpg)[/url]][url=http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/secolarmlasersensors.jpg](http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/thumbs/secolarmlasersensors.jpg)[/url] (ftp://[url=http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/secolarmlasersensors.jpg)

woof  woof !  .... or I mean GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR  NARLLLLLLLLLl !!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: coastalguy on April 11, 2010, 05:50:17 AM
 ".......then get or do up a tape of a large pack of extremely vicious lunatic-like dogs all trying to outbark the other..."

About those lunatic dogs... I have actually heard something far more blood curdling than that.... $1.44 day at Wallmart....
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on April 11, 2010, 09:21:58 AM
hang in there coastalguy. if placerpals two motherinlaws get ahold of him at the same time im sure you will hear something louder and more shrill than the roar at any wallys $1.44 day. i will probably hear him up here in alaska. <-laugh-> <-laugh-> <-laugh-> <-laugh-> <-laugh->   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Harry on April 15, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
Ok. Been on the claim for the past week. Pinesol seems to work just fine keeping the grizzlys away. No new tracks or scat. I mixed it 10 parts pinesol to 1 part water.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on April 15, 2010, 11:32:08 AM
Any luck Harry?
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on April 15, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
Thats great to hear Harry.......10:1  perfect.... easy to remember  <-good_>

You are lucky to be out on your claim so early...what area of BC are you in ?
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Harry on April 18, 2010, 09:35:09 AM
I have lots of luck on my claim Dwayne. Lots of gold there just took me a few years to find it. I live near Boston Bar B.C. Tomcat. I can usually get onto my claim by mid March.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Five-Oh on May 03, 2010, 08:25:53 AM
Ok. Been on the claim for the past week. Pinesol seems to work just fine keeping the grizzlys away. No new tracks or scat. I mixed it 10 parts pinesol to 1 part water.

Harry..

Just wondering if that Pinesol trick is still working out for you..

If it is, time to stock up ;)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: YellowFever on May 03, 2010, 10:21:01 AM
Its safe if you have one of these

(http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus_500/MVC-768F.jpg)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on May 03, 2010, 10:32:26 AM
YellowFever
Is that a 500 S&W ?
In Canada we can't legally carry one of those Hand Cannons  <-NO_> I wish  :(
Just Rifles and Shotguns  :)  
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 03, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
PINESOL    not a good sign. nothing from harry since 4-18  hope he is just busy packing gold  <~ShOcK~>   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on May 03, 2010, 10:53:24 AM
 <-laugh-> <-laugh-> [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*  Maybe he met up with one of those horny Polar bears.

One of those hand cannons will get you put in jail in BC...maybe he is still waiting for bail  ;D :)

Or getting his face reconstructed after pulling the trigger  <~ShOcK~>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 03, 2010, 11:07:39 AM
i believe that is a tarus raging bull probably a 454 casull. pennies worth.  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: YellowFever on May 03, 2010, 10:17:41 PM
Its a 500 S&W made by tarus, just a pic that I got off the net, This is what I carry with me

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Five-seveN_USG.jpg/800px-Five-seveN_USG.jpg)

Its an FN FiveSeven!! I get 2000FPS with a 40gr solid!!!!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on May 03, 2010, 10:51:30 PM
Think I'll sy=tick to the defender 12, least I can blow the bears head off, not just shoot the hell out it and get it real mad.............Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: YellowFever on May 04, 2010, 07:44:13 AM
Well I have no problems with what I use! [-1st-]
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on May 04, 2010, 07:54:23 AM
Fun to shoot guns like the Five Seven but I know for a fact that I would want a gun with a lot more ouch power than something equivalent to a 22 Hornet when dealing with the bears I see. Guns are a personal choice and there is nothing that gets the debate going stronger than to ask what people think is the best bear gun. After dealing with big bears over many years I have made my personal choice something with a minimum 400 grains of lead and a minimum of 2000 foot pounds at the muzzle. Wrap that in a Remington 870 or Marlin 45-70 and I'm good to go. There is no argument from me that something like a 22 Hornet will kill a bear as I have seen Inuit hunters do it (though they are hunting with dogs) but I am looking for a stopping gun and that is a different matter.
No matter what you carry when the time comes and you are actually facing off with a grizzly or polar bear any gun you have will feel puny but having confidence in the gun carries some weight in a confrontation and a bear can sense that. IMHO that confidence can diffuse a confrontation and convince a bear to back off.
That being said I have seen a 90 pound Inuit grandma put the run on a 400 pound polar bear with nothing more than attitude and a hockey stick. Since she won't come along with me I will have to stick to the 870 I guess. Or bear spray - (grandma in a can  [email protected]*)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 04, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
 <-good_> <-good_> time to quit messing around. this for those of you are scared to death of bears. bore no longer measured in thousands of an inch but in full inches. it can fire the cap off of a hundred lb. propane bottle. velocity depending on how much air you pump into into it. and made out of pvc so light to pack. although for bears you may want to  use schedule 80 instead of 40. and this should be legal in canada.  <-yes_>  jerry [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tworivers on May 04, 2010, 10:56:57 AM
The main problems with bears is people.
I have been out in some high bear population areas with no problem at all and this was not for a week or 2 but for many seasons.

Grizzlies are curious and hungry. They are solitary and can move alot of miles in a short period.
The main point is when you are in bear country you are not at home but you are a guest in his home so follow simple rules.

The big #1 rule is be aware of your surroundings...tracks. scat, scratches. That will tell you if there is something around. If there is a bear in the area act accordingly. Now I have met many a gunslinger out there and most can't hit the ground with thier hat , so shooting is A LAST RESORT.
As GreyWolf said a bear is pretty po'ed if wounded and that will make matters even worse and if you think you are a good shot at targets chances are the paper was not charging you.

The big thing is follow the food rules and be aware of your surroundings.....a bear can only sneak up on you if you are fixated on your gold so just look around now and then.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Bill_Carson on May 04, 2010, 11:28:49 AM
In BC mining country, there's alot of Native reserve land ... and the Bears (and other animals) habitate on alot of reserve land ... I know a guy who shot a Deer on what he thought was non-reserve land ... the Natives thought otherwise; they came on their ATV's with rifles, and from 5 ft. away, aimed a hunting rifle at his head and escorted him and his friend back to their vehicle, the Natives then called the cops and charged the Hunters with multiple charges - moral of the story; if at all possible, do not shoot - use Bear Spray - only as a very, very last resort, use firepower - because if you kill one of their favorite Grizzlies (or Deer, etc...) it could very easily INFURIATE the Natives to the point where they make life very DIFFICULT for ALL MINERS who work in the general region of their reserve.  
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on May 04, 2010, 11:42:30 AM
I would think if you had a bear charging you you have the right to defend yourself.
A prospector would not be on an Indian Reserve, and certainly not hunting  <-NO_>
Was the Deer charging you buddy or was it dinner.  ;D they can get frisky in rutt.  :)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on May 04, 2010, 11:58:34 AM
Confidence can see you thru any action you deem satisfactory to the situation. Without it? A bazooka is not going to be a big enough gun.
It is not something you can just buy or read enough to gain. But thru having quality equipment. And right supply of knowledge. Can build the wisdom needed to move without action. 
If your going to walk like a giant, among giants. They will test the metal in your resolve, the entire way. Every step after the first. That must carry the weight of that determination. In how each step lands.
Walk like a pussy, cat? You get the idea.
Whether your willing to pack a gun or not. Dues not change the fact you have to defend your right to live out there every so often.
Until every step can count like the first. There will always be tests. Until you truly live there free. Without a box. Stand on your own.
For those with the right bent in life, you can wear these words like camouflage. To others its only has meaning in measured amounts. Learn to fear what you do not know! It will bite you, if you do not know how to handle it. Or just be bigger than it. It is what wants to keeps what it is as it is. No f____ing around ever. We can do whatever we want to it, as long as we do not try to change the nature of it. Play by are own rules.
I have a few years now. And in them I have only known a few that could carry the confidence. Counting queue on every bear. By just being there. But in all of those I have known that had the strength. Could not handle the anger or the violence. Because of that lack of intent in having strength. It is so easy to get cot up in emotions of hate, jealousy, or lust. When there is fuel to burn. And no reason to save it. There is no flame that burns hotter. Flames that could have fueled intent. That thru forging out new ground. Builds its own box. Its own existence Its own nature beyond hew we are to it   
A aura of intent. A reasoning that emanates out to the world and the universe.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Bill_Carson on May 04, 2010, 12:16:12 PM
I would think if you had a bear charging you you have the right to defend yourself.
A prospector would not be on an Indian Reserve, and certainly not hunting  <-NO_>
Was the Deer charging you buddy or was it dinner.  ;D they can get frisky in rutt.  :)

Note that I mentioned "as a very, very last resort, use firepower".

The easiest access for some claims requires crossing Native land ... if the Natives block easy access, your costs can escalate very substantially.

Also, some of the reserves don't recognize the Crown boundaries as being legit ... some bands still consider the original treaties as still being unresolved.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on May 04, 2010, 01:29:28 PM
Bill
Sorry I missed the point between shooting a bear or a deer.
I suppose if you shoot either on a reserve or Indian Land you are in a heap of dodo. Whether you had to or not.
May as well let the bear have at you .....after the courts are done with you you would wish you were dead.
Well I suppose if they block access and don't recognize the laws and boundaries of the land...then why the heck should the white man follow all of the rules...
Oh yeah..... <-idea->.... that's why we have lawyers, courts and jails...to keep the law abiding citizens honest  ;D ^#!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Bill_Carson on May 04, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
Bill
Sorry I missed the point between shooting a bear or a deer.
I suppose if you shoot either on a reserve or Indian Land you are in a heap of dodo. Whether you had to or not.
May as well let the bear have at you .....after the courts are done with you you would wish you were dead.
Well I suppose if they block access and don't recognize the laws and boundaries of the land...then why the heck should the white man follow all of the rules...
Oh yeah..... <-idea->.... that's why we have lawyers, courts and jails...to keep the law abiding citizens honest  ;D ^#!


There's some upside; some higher grade Placer gravels are located on or around Reserve land ... so, if your on good terms with the local Natives, it may be the difference on whether you can easily access Placer gravels that haven't seen a pan or been worked-over for a very long time. 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: YellowFever on May 04, 2010, 02:21:44 PM
Fun to shoot guns like the Five Seven but I know for a fact that I would want a gun with a lot more ouch power than something equivalent to a 22 Hornet when dealing with the bears I see. Guns are a personal choice and there is nothing that gets the debate going stronger than to ask what people think is the best bear gun. After dealing with big bears over many years I have made my personal choice something with a minimum 400 grains of lead and a minimum of 2000 foot pounds at the muzzle. Wrap that in a Remington 870 or Marlin 45-70 and I'm good to go. There is no argument from me that something like a 22 Hornet will kill a bear as I have seen Inuit hunters do it (though they are hunting with dogs) but I am looking for a stopping gun and that is a different matter.
No matter what you carry when the time comes and you are actually facing off with a grizzly or polar bear any gun you have will feel puny but having confidence in the gun carries some weight in a confrontation and a bear can sense that. IMHO that confidence can diffuse a confrontation and convince a bear to back off.
That being said I have seen a 90 pound Inuit grandma put the run on a 400 pound polar bear with nothing more than attitude and a hockey stick. Since she won't come along with me I will have to stick to the 870 I guess. Or bear spray - (grandma in a can  [email protected]*)
[email protected]* thats funny 22 Hornet  [email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 13, 2010, 05:25:42 PM
Well it has been awhile since I first asked, but panning in grizzly country just got alot safer.....for me anyways. I just bought my very first gun...a Mossberg 500 Persuader, with the 18.5" barrel. Now I can hike into my special area and keep the blood pressure down at the same time. Also bought a refillable air horn for prevention as well. So.......what goes crack and thump in the bush?  <-dont~know-> Doesnt matter I have a shotgun!!  [email protected]*  <-d'oh->

It was a toss up between the Rem 870 or a Mossberg, but the store only had a mossberg and the price was right. Now, where the heck is all that gold???  <-star->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on May 13, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
Oh Gracious, pjstarchild.... do keep me informed where you venture and when.  That way i can assure I am no closer than 50 miles from you.   First gun, no real experience, all tensed up over grizzlies.... pull up and fire at the first sound or movement, that's a sure recipe for someone becoming a fatality, and you a sorry soul.  For the benefit of all persons roaming our woods, permit me to beg that your trigger finger is nowhere near the death-pull until you have assured yourself you have indeed seen at least 80% of your grizzly (or black).  AT LEAST !  You may have the gun, but when the time comes, I've no doubt nervousness will overtake confidence.... no need of 'many' people, including yourself, carry devastating feelings the rest of ones days.

All said with your better interest in mind.  <-yes_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on May 13, 2010, 06:19:17 PM
No gun works without practise  <-good_>

I will have to make sure I don't crack and thump anywhere near your claim  <~ShOcK~>  ;D :)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 13, 2010, 06:34:54 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence!!! I hear what your both saying, but no worries. I didnt mean I was going to shoot at the cracks or thumps, rather not get so freaked out. I would never dare shoot at anything until I was certain of what it is, visually. This is MY first gun, but I have been around guns enough in the past to understand the possible outcomes. Nervousness may overcome.......possibly, I wont know for sure until I am face to face with a bear. Practice, like everything, is key!! So no worries people.....you are more than safe to come pan with me.......but maybe just beep your horn and duck first, eh!!  :P  <-star->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 13, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
Hi Lo, you are right!!  And I hope I never see a bear when I am out of the truck. The place that I am prospecting in is a well known area for a high population of grizzlies tho, and the exact area happens to be a few kilometers away from the road. I have seen lots of tracks and scat in that area, without even hiking far from the road. A gun is last resort, as I also mentioned that I bought an air horn!!! I will be trigger happy with this for sure, and it is refillable.  <-party->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 13, 2010, 07:11:25 PM
I have done alot of hiking, fishing and camping too in bear country. My fave fishing hole includes hiking down a cliff crossing the river twice, to get to the far side of an "s" bend, while standing in big ol grizz prints on a sand bar, and never packed any kind of scare. I was camping in the bush years ago and while we were sleeping had a black bear come into our site, knock over a tent and went straight to the picnic table where we foolishly left some food out. When I was younger, I had no fear. Now that I have kids, I think differant and am going the extra step in the woods to be safe while still have fun. Even if I see a bear doesnt mean I will shoot at it. I do love nature, and do not plan on disrupting it more than I need to. I like to be very aware of my surroundings. And it is alot harder to open a sardine can while its moving!!  ;)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on May 14, 2010, 11:26:06 AM
Just wrap the bear spray and air horn in bacon and lob it at the bear......maybe he will acquire a taste for bacon and pepper ...while you are trying to find your shotgun shells and load the gun with slippery bacon grease on your fingers  ;D [email protected]* <-good_> :)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 14, 2010, 04:43:52 PM
It will be loaded as soon as I get out of the truck!! But hey, pepper spray canister covered in bacon grease....now theres an idea. Dayglo orange spraypaint cans in grease would be funny, but a pepper spray can would be worth a video. Hmmmm....... DEVIL&?? Well we'll see how it goes, Im headin out Sunday to Fisherville (dont worry people, gun stays in the truck there) and to my special spot in grizz country.....gun needed!!

Anyone up for a Fisherville trip Sunday??  <-star->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on May 15, 2010, 07:44:55 AM
Hey guys, I have a big, black male bear been diggin up  my front lawn for over a week now.  Feel free to help youself but bring your own TP! Grizzly or no; man, is he BIG!!  <-laugh-> [email protected]* <-laugh-> [email protected]*
...Wil
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 15, 2010, 08:19:27 AM
Smear bacon grease over a can of pepper spray and have the video camera ready!!!  [email protected]*  <-star->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Big Red 250 on May 15, 2010, 01:13:37 PM
It will be loaded as soon as I get out of the truck!! But hey, pepper spray canister covered in bacon grease....now theres an idea. Dayglo orange spraypaint cans in grease would be funny, but a pepper spray can would be worth a video. Hmmmm....... DEVIL&?? Well we'll see how it goes, Im headin out Sunday to Fisherville (dont worry people, gun stays in the truck there) and to my special spot in grizz country.....gun needed!!

Anyone up for a Fisherville trip Sunday??  <-star->

 I hope you bought lots of slugs, cause you know there's a bear behind every tree. LOL.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on May 17, 2010, 01:08:25 AM
The last act of a great drfence.
Just before the bear eats you spray your self down with the pepper spray. At least you'll tast bad.
Hell he mite only eat a leg or a arm???!
What luck!
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on May 17, 2010, 06:47:13 AM
My bear came back.  He's out on the front lawn and he's huge!
Took the shotgun and fired a few rounds over his head.
He looked right at me, as in "You talkin to me?" Never moved.
Went back into the house, wife says "Bang a couple of pot lids together."
"Yeah, right!"
Next day he's back again so I went outside with a couple of pot lids.
He took off like a rocket-haven't seen him for 3 days now.  GO FIGURE!
Guess I'm not so bear-smart after all <-laugh->...Wil
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on May 17, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
You had presence of self with the pans. Going out with just them was dangerous. And the bear seen your courage.  There is no courage in a gun.
No respect except after in the ground. They do not understand at first, so run. But ones they know its not a part of you. You loose a lot of size.
If you would have chased him just a few steps yelling at him after the pans. You would have been monstrous in his eyes. Kind of like a dog that gets in the trash. You can yell and yell all you want. It isn’t until you actually present yourself and your intent at the time of the infraction, that he will lessen. Caught in the act. A deer in the headlights. One right word of intent and it will be gone. No more thinking, If I am just Quiet maybe I'll get away with it. And deal with that so and so if he comes out again!
Hasn’t  shown any strength. Made the pain! Maybe I can eat him.     
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 17, 2010, 09:43:07 AM
Went back to my special spot yesterday, and seen a black bear (smaller one). He ran as soon as he seen me.....someone must have warned him about me!!  <-laugh->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: tomcat on May 17, 2010, 10:05:10 AM
 <-laugh-> [email protected]* [email protected]*
Hell no...he just went home to get his mom...as Arnold says...." I'll be back"   ;D <-unsure_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on May 17, 2010, 10:37:20 AM
I bought a bear bell to put on my pack. I figure small trinkets like that will leave a trail when the bear gets me.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Big Red 250 on May 17, 2010, 11:12:28 AM
My bear came back.  He's out on the front lawn and he's huge!
Took the shotgun and fired a few rounds over his head.
He looked right at me, as in "You talkin to me?" Never moved.
Went back into the house, wife says "Bang a couple of pot lids together."
"Yeah, right!"
Next day he's back again so I went outside with a couple of pot lids.
He took off like a rocket-haven't seen him for 3 days now.  GO FIGURE!
Guess I'm not so bear-smart after all <-laugh->...Wil

 Maybe he was afraid that your wife was gonna cook up a meal for him. LOL.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 17, 2010, 11:14:39 AM
bears gastric juices will eat those bells right up. wont even leave a twinkle to follow. <~ShOcK~>  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on May 18, 2010, 03:04:51 AM
The more you stop fearing them. The more they run. And if not, there is always the clarity to make that one shot count. Fear is the biggest killer in the woods. How many get turned around a hundred feet from there car. And then get lost. Panic is for after the feel of the teeth. Not just because your in uncharted waters without a map. Those bears no fear more than any of us. We can go see a doc to get patched up. So if capable of inflicting the slightest injury. That bear will see it as life threatening. And avoid it. Until its not avoidable. Then look out.
As some one that can push them around some. It is a real game ender, if the bear has nowhere to run. Or is injured and or sick. Wanting to provoke a fight with anything that mite be able to kill it. Just to get it over with.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on May 18, 2010, 05:56:04 AM
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Maybe he was afraid that your wife was gonna cook up a meal for him. LOL.

Naw, I think it was the "to do" list she walks around with.  Sure as hell scares me!
Funny thing though; the day after that pot lid thing  a big moose shows up.  JEEZ!
...Wil
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on May 18, 2010, 08:14:32 AM
Did anyone see the you tube video of the guy fanning with one of those leaf rakes? The bears were scared  <-shock_> <-shock_> by it and ran for the hills.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Five-Oh on May 18, 2010, 10:45:13 AM

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Naw, I think it was the "to do" list she walks around with.  Sure as hell scares me!
Funny thing though; the day after that pot lid thing  a big moose shows up.  JEEZ!
...Wil

Sounds like there's a squeeze play in motion and your caught right in the middle of it...

Density level getting pretty heavy..

They may be working at devaluing your property and the neighbourhood, so they can have the run of the area...  ;) ^#!  <-unsure_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on May 18, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
yes a to do list can be terrifying!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on May 18, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
bears gastric juices will eat those bells right up. wont even leave a twinkle to follow. <~ShOcK~>  jerry

Hey Juu, the new bear bells or gastric juice  impervious now. Helps to locate place of death better apparently)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 18, 2010, 03:07:49 PM
 <-laugh-> dwayne just hopeing to steer you away from such an event.   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on May 20, 2010, 03:48:48 AM
Did anyone see the you tube video of the guy fanning with one of those leaf rakes? The bears were scared  <-shock_> <-shock_> by it and ran for the hills.
Like I have said several times. Here and there. If you can't get behind your actions. And just go thru the motions.
Your intent will  not find you, if you have went past your threshold of fear. Without intent the bear is not going to take anything you have to present as a threat seriously. If your scared of it.
Trust in one thing. They can sense fear. And fear, unchecked by sound action and balance. will get you killed. Bears are only a exemplified situation. A bad spot in the trail can do just as much or worse. Being ready is knowing you can face it when it arises. By simply knowing why your there.
Before you face a bear. You had better have sound reasons for it. Tore up supplies may seem like enough. But when your face to face. You realize the real costs. And what your willing to live without. To live the next few seconds nothing of material value is of importance. So intent is lost. If that intent was for retribution over the loss of stuff.
It takes quite a few years to get to were everything you do has intent behind it. Even the loss of stuff can work. Because only after loosing supplies before, can you understand the sure cost to your survival. Or your intent on being there. When that can be threatened, you stand a chance of understanding power. That the mind can elevate conchesness in time of great need. But only with sound propose in the act. Usually meaning survival of life and limb. No one in modern times can say that what they take with them is going to mean life or death any more. Ones when there was real wilderness that could leave a person so far out. There was no getting back if supplies were lost. Now you just make a phone call and get more.
Sure some one could force the issue by leaving the sell phone home. And going so far out that getting back without supplies would be hard. But that is blind intent. Searching for intent is searching for reason. Inside reasoning. Not reasoning searching for reason. You either take it with you or it is not there. 
The woods can show you hew you really are. But it can't show what isn't there. Or can it give ,what can't be understood. One must be available by being ready for the question.
Why am I doing this? If it hurts? And there is no comfort.
So to ask the question is to already know the answer.  To know that we can survive are selves. Are expectations.   
Chuck. 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on May 23, 2010, 01:21:42 PM
I wonder if this would keep bears away [email protected]* [email protected]* or any other living Critter for that matter....[&whistle#]



      YouTube
            - BIGGER THAN A SHIP HORN OR TRAIN HORN! (N.A.S.A. Reverberant chamber HORN)
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MasocIBqaE)

Video description Posted by Producer of this video (BIGMIKESOCAL)


I was told that this is a reverberant chamber horn used by NASA. Reverberant chamber is unique to NASA and the USAF for testing full-size aerospace components at high levels of sound pressure.
The noise in the chambers can be shaped to match the specifications of space shuttle and rocket launches, aircraft structural excitation, engine nacelle noise, unsteady turbulent airflows, and the acoustic test specifications required for military equipment sold on domestic and export markets. This flexibility has made it possible for to test satellites, satellite payload equipment, airframes, and aircraft components . Simply put, there is a enclosed room with this horn's opening bolted to the wall with the opening of the horn facing in. They would place the object they would want to test in that room, seal it up, and fire up this monster for a given lenght of time to see if it can handle the extreme low harmonics from this horn. The only problem is, the walls also started falling apart.
This horn has a working pressure between 250-500psi. On this test video 500psi was supplied (the squealing at the begining of each honk is normal. There is an exhaust port at the back of the power chamber housing to allow the titanium and tungsten diaphragm to vibrate at high pressure supply). This horn is 7' 5" long, and is 282lbs. This horn is no longer in used because the mortar of the building started coming apart from the testing that was done over the years.

This recording was done at Angeles Crest Hwy called "Echo Point" in Southern California about 400 feet away from the horn using a Panasonic AJ SDC915 with a Canon zoom lense, 2 Behringer B-5 condenser type microphones that require phantom power. Omnidirectional heads were also used on these microphones. One mic facing the horn with the volume at level 5(still getting some distortion), and the other facing away from the horn with the volume at level 8(to pick up the echo's
 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 23, 2010, 01:43:43 PM
Looks like I will be needing a bigger belt to pack that one in the bush with me.  <-laugh->

That horn sounds like it could cause an avalanche!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 23, 2010, 03:12:23 PM
i am thinkin it may be better to take up tippy toe dancin and just give up on the woods, bears and gold.   jerry <-yahoo_>  <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_> <-yahoo_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 23, 2010, 07:25:54 PM
Hey Jerry, any plans on posting a video of you tippy toe dancing on you tube??? I promise I wont laugh!!  ;D

 [!!DANCE!!]  [!!DANCE!!]  [!!DANCE!!]  :o  [email protected][email protected][email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 23, 2010, 07:37:07 PM
 :Dyou betcha.soons i get my 1st ounce this season but no too-too. yah i know i cant spell it. oh well. ;) ;)  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on May 23, 2010, 07:53:13 PM
I haven't ran into any Grizzly bears this year but I did run into Mean Old " Scare Face " 600 pounds easy  <-yes_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 23, 2010, 09:27:01 PM
Jerry I hope to see your 1 ounce happy dance sooner than later, and VikingSniper, you have some of the best quality pics I've seen, but this one seems a bit blurry......you wernt shaken were ya????  <-laugh->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 23, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
viking. normally browns and blacks dont coexist too well in the same area but from the looks of that guy maybe you should chase him out and let the browns return. pjstarchild. if memory serves me correctly you started this thread and by now i am thinking you are ready to move to a highrise and forget about gold fever considering all the stories and pics that have been posted. if i wasnt too old to change i might. aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh <-unsure_> ;D ;D  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Vikingsniper on May 23, 2010, 10:29:57 PM
pjstarchild
I was only 50 feet away  [^Crazy!#] so yeah I did have a surge in adrenaline....Scare Face is the Meanest & Biggest black bear I have ran into...playing get you games trying to trick me ...the 3 other bears I seen took off before I could get a picture.
I think that bear has had a Real Bad encounter with humans in the past.


Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 23, 2010, 10:56:23 PM
Juss teasin!! Not ready for a high rise yet, I went out last weekend and seen a black....it ran away as soon as it seen me, and am ready to head into one of the scariest place yet tomarrow (monday) . VikingSniper, what area is Scareface in?? I am hiking into Dibble creek from the Bull River side in the mornin.

After starting this thread, even with the scary stories....I do feel alot safer with the knowledge I have learned.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 23, 2010, 11:23:40 PM
Another thought VikingSniper......If I were 50 feet away from a bear, I dont think I would be trying to grab a camera!!  <~ShOcK~> Good job on that one!!!!  <-good_> Sounds like experience versus unexperienced here to me. (me being the unexperienced) My first reactions would be using the air horn I keep in my back pocket, than 12 guage bear spray if it didnt run away.

I might have started this post, and I do have a fear of bears, but I am not going to tip toe from tree to tree just to get a pan wet. I have hiked, camped, and fished in Bear country before, but was only merely looking for additional means of safety, since I plan on being in the bush alot more now.

FYI, this post is now the most replyed to post on this site!!!!!! Maybe alot more people find it of interest than me????  nerd$#@
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on May 24, 2010, 06:24:32 AM
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I think that bear has had a Real Bad encounter with humans in the past.

VS-might have "nicked" him---sorry! [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 24, 2010, 09:05:22 AM
 <-good_>hey  pjstarchild. like you said just teasing. no deep meanings here. checked the stats last night and that is what brought on my comments. nothing serious. you may well have been the woods more than me dont really matter. what counts is enjoy. <-wave-> <-wave-> <-wave->  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 24, 2010, 05:54:30 PM
No worries Jerry, after reading my post today, I guess it might have sounded a bit strong, but was not meant to be at all. Heres a story that will make you smile....Went on a hike today, Backpack strapped on, air horn in one hand and shotgun in the other. I was getting kinda deep into the woods following a trail, everytime i rounded a corner I had to stop, look around and listen.....than a few blasts from the air horn and I off to the next bend. It was pretty quiet in there, and I could just barely hear the stream. I think I was starting to tip toe in between horn blasts. Than all of a sudden a very close grouse took off just beside me,  <-shock_> I gave it the biggest blast of air horn. After many swear words which slowly turned to a quick laugh. I decided to turn around and call the hike off till I find a partner to come with me. So I hiked back and went over to Fisherville!!  <-laugh-> I even found some gold today!!  <-yahoo_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on May 24, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
Do they really sound like a distressed rabbit as they go dead.....Never thought of that, but thinking about it they just might. How ironic. But that is why I bought a replacement canister and pack it with me!!  <-laugh->  <-party->

But hey notice in my story, that when the bird scared me I blew off the air horn first, I never even flinched for the gun. Im safe, really......really I am!!  [^Crazy!#]
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on May 24, 2010, 07:09:58 PM
 [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*oh my god this getting good... [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*..........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on May 24, 2010, 07:21:36 PM
It is a sad commentary on how well we have been conditioned by anti gun sentiments that as gun owners we feel uneasy using firearms for exactly what they were designed for because some people get nervous about them. No reflection on those that are leary about seeing a gun out in the open - we have both been conditioned. I can't say that I am worried about seeing a gun carried by someone in the bush but then again I have had to stop cleaning my rifles out on the porch in consideration of neighbour sensitivities.
Last year I took them shooting though and this spring I saw that the hubby was out on the back deck of their home sighting his brand new store bought 22 into his back fourty. Maybe I'll be able to clean my rifles again without worrying about a visit from the SWAT team. LOL
I am breaking them in gently - maybe by fall I will be able to set off my cannon without them freaking out.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on May 24, 2010, 08:08:24 PM
greywolf. quick word of caution here. find a clean area to roll around on while doing all that laughing.if you get those shirts and pants too dirty you could end up tearing that ole washing machine apart again. unless  you pre rinse in the creek first.   [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on June 10, 2010, 09:25:40 AM
wonder if dakota makes a corbon hard cast cartridge for the 12 ga. that would be a bear stopper delux. <-wave-> <-wave-> <-wave->   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on June 15, 2010, 09:37:31 PM
Do air horns REALLY work on a curious black bear.............NO!!!!!!! So myself and "Scar420" were hiking about 3 kms into the back country, and during our hike we seen a black bear. It was about 350 - 400 yrds away...pretty far. So for my own curiosity, wanted to see how it reacted to the sound of an air horn. First blast, it looked up wondering what that was, and went on eating whatever it was eating. Second blast, It stood up on its' hind legs, and looked/sniffed around. After spotting us, it proceeded to come check us out!! We didnt let it, and never seen it again. Are air horns a deterrant or attractant??? All in all it was a great hike!!  <-star->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: lsfog on June 15, 2010, 10:03:35 PM
That's a good one. Reminds me off a friend who wanted to "test" his 12 gage bear bangers.
We were trailering our Jet boats from Yellowknife to Fort Providence when a medium sized blackie was spotted along side the road.
So all 6 of us loons got out of our trucks while buddy "banged" at the bear.
Bear was closer than he thought & the banger went off on the OTHER side of Mr. Black.
Yes you guessed it --- bear headed straight toward us as the god offle loud noise was on his other side.
We all had a good laugh --- after some of us changed short clothes.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on June 16, 2010, 12:44:11 PM
Not to pick on any one, but even thinking of pepper spray? The horn I think is a good idea? But to pepper spray a bear is going to do more harm than good.
 If you  do I hope you brought salt for when he tries to get even. Because chances are he will. And that time, if you do not have a gun?
You made a vary bad enemy that may even stock you. I can only say I have seen this in moose mostly. But bears are capable of being vindictive too.
To a general hiker is no big deal! Even though the next guy in line, is not going to be as lucky. Then there is only a Fifty-fifty chance anything but a gun will work. With a lot more attitude. 
When your camping for extended times, repeatablebly in the same place. You want peace in your surroundings. Because as a prospector. You spend a majority of the tine with your back to the woods. And if finding gold your completely oblivious.
With all your attention swirling in the pan.
I have messed with people I known. Tossing a stick or rock into the brush behind them. They kind of grunt and go back to panning out the gold every time. But this was only because what was in front of them weighed heavier on them. Than anything that could be behind them. All that they could deal with. Not finding some gold? “And now here it is”!!
Gold will do that to every one that finds it. Guaranteed! The rest is chance.
And chances are it is a story that has played out many times. And could be why so many disappear just after the big strike. And can it be far removed from bears too.
Could be not working a prop correctly into place. To just digging up under a rock until it falls on you .
The same rule applies.
If your not aware of your surroundings. It will kill you, if you’ let it.
As far as bears. Either get harmonious with it all, or get a dog. If you cant have a gun.
The rest is just taking chances.  With the odds of less reprisal being in the least pain administered. For a first encounter.
As encounter go’s up so dues the pain.     
Chuck.
         
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on June 16, 2010, 01:43:36 PM
Garbage bears maybe different from your standard bear out in the bush, but a few years ago, I went to a dump to try out my bear spray. I pulled my truck up to a bear, rolled down my window and the bear just stared at me. A couple of things went well and a few things went very wrong. First, it was 35 or 40 degrees celciius out so I had my air conditioning on.  Upon the discharge of the spray, the noise it made scared the bear off and never got close to it, however, a small portion got sucked into the air vents of my truck. I had enough in me to drive a short distance away, hacking and coughing. I escaped without harm in the end.

I wonder, if intense light, like that of a road flare would be enough to scare a bear away?
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on June 16, 2010, 04:28:40 PM
Went to the dump to test out your bear spray!!!  [email protected][email protected][email protected]* Poor innocent bears....  [email protected]*

Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on June 16, 2010, 06:27:16 PM
A lot of it also depends on how close to the earth you are with them. Pretty safe in a motor home or trailer. But if your in a tent. Life’s no fun if worried about how your going to deal with the situation when it comes. Because it will come if in bear country. And if not moving around soon camping is imposable without a solid defense. Not just a deterrent.
I didn’t chase all of them. Most just want to get out of your way. Or with a little assistance of just standing your ground they will leave. But if you have harmed them in the past and you forgot to bring the pain with you.
Makes you tied to it.
If not a gun how about a tayzer. Or stun gun?
Anyone know if a tayzer will knock a grizz down?
Chuck. 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on June 16, 2010, 06:52:49 PM
A taser will knock a large bull over quickly, after the few seconds of voltage, it got up quite (censored) off and charged at the first thing it seen. Check it out on you tube. Bull gets tazed. Imagine how a grizzly would react!!!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on June 16, 2010, 07:28:25 PM
Better yet...just take your tazer to the dump and try it on one of the bears there!!  [email protected][email protected][email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on June 16, 2010, 07:47:04 PM
Could up the voiltage too. Just need a 5 count or so to get clear. Or up a tree.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on June 17, 2010, 06:36:37 AM
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a small portion got sucked into the air vents of my truck. I had enough in me to drive a short distance away, hacking and coughing. I escaped without harm in the end.

Hillarious Dwayne!  I can almost see you inside  your truck!  [email protected]* [email protected]* [email protected]*

If you guys want practice with your spray and tazers, I'm up to 4 bears now tearing up my front lawn plus a conservation officer.  What's happening is a shortage of food out there this spring and the bears are down to eating grassWith the current budget restraints the bear cops simply trap the bears and kill them!  (They used to have a relocation policy.)  Think I'd rather put up with these big fellas  awhile longer and  even tolerate the occasional paw print on the sides of the house but if one comes through a picture window............ hmmmm  <-thinking->   You guys be careful-they're really hungry and unpredictable right now.

.....Wil
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on June 17, 2010, 08:12:31 AM
For the record, statute of limitations is up, I tried this out back in the 90s with the bear spray. I didn't want to rely on something without seeing if it truly works. Back then, bear spray was relatively new to the world.  <-shock_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on June 17, 2010, 12:23:01 PM
For the record, statute of limitations is up, I tried this out back in the 90s with the bear spray. I didn't want to rely on something without seeing if it truly works. Back then, bear spray was relatively new to the world.  <-shock_>
Yea! But what if you had to face the same bear tomarow? Posebly counerd? How will he react then. Probably what gets most killed.
Ones or twice and they are going to know its a hollow threat. So why run just chew thru the bees. And get it dun. If they know the pain is only pain without ingery. Its not going to hinder them in the slightest way.
But ones you ad ingery. It must be without insult.
Or otherwise compleaty deadly.
Chuck.   
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on June 17, 2010, 01:36:15 PM
I wasn't too worried as I had a V8 engine to get me out of there in a  hurry. Still, that demo has given me confidence which takes out some of the fear which could potentially be detected by the bear. Aside from that, I now have a sharp 24 inch blade to wield if the spray doesn't work.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on June 17, 2010, 04:04:37 PM
I wasn't too worried as I had a V8 engine to get me out of there in a  hurry. Still, that demo has given me confidence which takes out some of the fear which could potentially be detected by the bear. Aside from that, I now have a sharp 24 inch blade to wield if the spray doesn't work.
Only one way I ever thought a knife would work was to just walk up and give him a big hug. And stick the knife up under his scull on one side or the other of the spine. Unprotected the amdulalemgata is to a knife. Even a 8 or 10 inch blade would easily reach.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: finch68 on June 17, 2010, 10:16:24 PM
Here is my 2 cents.  If you have Pi**ed off a bear for no other reason that you are in his back yard, the bear bangers and air horns are not going to really deter him.  If he was just rummaging about and you give him a loud noise, perhaps he will go away.  However, when the pi**ed off bear is charging down at you at the speed of light and you can't outrun him or outclimb him, bear spray is the last resort.  We are talking about spraying him when you can smell his breath, because otherwise it will not help.  In his eyes and in his mouth, and hope he hates getting hurt more than he hates you.  That was the advice I got from a "ranger" who knew bears.

As for guns, each to his own.  I will not carry a gun when I go to my claim, even though I have several and know how to use them.  I always carry bear spray as my last line of defense.  Best bet, don't pi** off the bears.  Just my thing.

finch68
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on June 17, 2010, 11:17:04 PM
For those who have not noticed in the past, bears are (generally) not afraid of things that are not of a size that would pose them any real problem.  They will chase man, and even a man on a quad, so what you have to do is balance the size indifference thing to where it then favors to your benefit.  Your best avenue, is to invite to your prospecting site, a buddy much bigger than yourself.  A buddy that’s so big and mean looking that no bear in its right mind would want to tackle something of that size.  And particularly one who appears so snarly and can dance with the wind, in a most menacing and threatening fashion.  A buddy which will send old bear into yonder county before it ceases it’s getaway speed.  Just tote along a small bottle for him and that’ll be all needed.  You need a good buddy 12 foot tall, as he:  In perspective, Five foot two and eyes of blue - -

 (http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/buddy5.jpg)

Gemmy Airblown® Inflatable Thanksgiving Turkey Original (http://www.yardinflatables.com/Big-Headed-Monster-Giant_p_704.html)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on June 18, 2010, 07:50:15 AM
For those who have not noticed in the past, bears are (generally) not afraid of things that are not of a size that would pose them any real problem.  They will chase man, and even a man on a quad, so what you have to do is balance the size indifference thing to where it then favors to your benefit.  Your best avenue, is to invite to your prospecting site, a buddy much bigger than yourself.  A buddy that’s so big and mean looking that no bear in its right mind would want to tackle something of that size.  And particularly one who appears so snarly and can dance with the wind, in a most menacing and threatening fashion.  A buddy which will send old bear into yonder county before it ceases it’s getaway speed.  Just tote along a small bottle for him and that’ll be all needed.  You need a good buddy 12 foot tall, as he:  Gemmy Airblown® Inflatable Thanksgiving Turkey Original (http://www.yardinflatables.com/Big-Headed-Monster-Giant_p_704.html)


Hilarious and I see that there are only 57 left!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on June 18, 2010, 09:09:00 AM
I can see an adaption of that. Like an inflatable life raft. Thrown on the ground as it inflates to create some monsterous thing sure to scare off a pesky bear.
Maybe a giant pic-in-ic basket to distract Yogi and Boo Boo or a giant Park Ranger or the Grand daddy of all bears.
"Say hello to my leeddle frien!!!!"
 <-laugh->
They would have to be bio degradable - can't have giant balloon thingies cluttering the forest.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on June 18, 2010, 09:47:34 AM
Inflatable - deflatable - his bottle be, a six pack to go, of helium.  (prior post revised - or sized)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on June 18, 2010, 10:26:26 AM
For those who have not noticed in the past, bears are (generally) not afraid of things that are not of a size that would pose them any real problem.  They will chase man, and even a man on a quad, so what you have to do is balance the size indifference thing to where it then favors to your benefit.  Your best avenue, is to invite to your prospecting site, a buddy much bigger than yourself.  A buddy that’s so big and mean looking that no bear in its right mind would want to tackle something of that size.  And particularly one who appears so snarly and can dance with the wind, in a most menacing and threatening fashion.  A buddy which will send old bear into yonder county before it ceases it’s getaway speed.  Just tote along a small bottle for him and that’ll be all needed.  You need a good buddy 12 foot tall, as he:  In perspective, Five foot two and eyes of blue - -

 (http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/buddy5.jpg)
Gemmy Airblown® Inflatable Thanksgiving Turkey Original (http://www.yardinflatables.com/Big-Headed-Monster-Giant_p_704.html)
Gpex. Yea that’s a real blaster there.
But like Mr. science Idea of a monster bear. If you put a similar sent, as was on the dummy. Way up high on the scratch poles around the area. They may start to believe it is alive. Vary cool deterrent.
Subtle and potent.
With no penalty for them just looking.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on July 07, 2010, 08:54:05 PM
Here is an amazing bear video. (if it works..first time) I wonder if I could outrun her??


      YouTube
            - 3 Legged Bear Walking Upright
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yZ4fktcuNk)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on July 07, 2010, 09:05:54 PM
Since I figured out how to post a video, and with the previous chat about tasers and bears, I thought I would post a possible reaction. See how the bull was minding his own business before the taser, compared to the reaction promptly after!!! My conclusion.....probably not a wise choice with a bear of any kind!!!


      YouTube
            - bull gets tazed
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px_N2WLE1yo)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on July 08, 2010, 12:46:55 PM
That would not be a bear I would recommend getting to close to, tough enough to have survived losing a leg with out medical, looking a little thin and eating garbage, as well has a small skinny cub to look out for, person or group of people would just look like easy picking for her I would be will to say, notice how the bear adapted to walking up right as most likely better to look around for food and defence as well probably a bit easier to get around then doing the three legged shuffle hop, thats a tough old critter fer sure.....Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on July 24, 2010, 09:23:05 AM
may want to rethink the taser thingy. earlier this week anachorage cop confronted a small blackie that had been terrorizing a subdivision in town. zapped with 100,000 volts for 15 seconds. bear rolled over on his back stuck all four feet in the air, let out a couple of grunts, whined a bit, sat up shook his head and wandered off. back in a couple of days and homeowner shot him. im thinking with a brownie you may just tick him off and he will decide to just end things once and for all.  slap-slap-chomp-chomp. <~ShOcK~> <~ShOcK~>  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on July 24, 2010, 12:08:16 PM

Obviously there are a few factors not taken into consideration here.  First a bear's weight/size ratio – even an average black bear doubles the weight of an average man, thus, the kick power needed to knock it down would be much greater than that applied for a man.  Second would be, the resistance nature between the two species (bear and man) – man is a lay-down, give-in, concede creature – when wounded (shot, knifed, or whatever) man retreats or will readily go to the ground in a submit-to scenario - - now generally, a bear, being a wild creature, is an ignore-all-injury, fight-to-the-death beast that doesn’t give up and in the brain has programmed itself to finish what it started out to do, such as annihilate its opponent.  By example of that sort of programming in a wild creature’s brain, I once went with a friend game warden to help load a fairly large a road-kill white-tail deer.  Every, and I mean every single ounce and thread of its innards (such as when you dress one) was laying on the gravel shoulder bank where it was struck, but the last keep-running-to-escape programming in its brain enabled its body to travel over 250 feet into the woods before its body finally dropped.  So back to the bear, its mind’s programming is to finish the job it started out to do, thus, it would be no wonder that a ‘normal’ Tazer would unlikely stop it dead in its tracks.  Set at 100k voltage would obviously be too low of a charge to make much affect, but to juice one up to match the creature’s weight/size ratio, a Tazer then ought to work its wonders.

Now, at least in my mind, there may exist yet another factor.  That being, yonder Tazer was designed having human people in mind.  And to my knowledge, there’s never been a study to identify any differences that might exist between the anatomical structure of a bear as compared to that of a human.  Correct me if wrong, but are we not talking about stunning the nervous system of the target?  Logically so, so the actual body itself is not the respondent part, but rather the brain – the main control centre of any living creature, which receives and sends out electrical signals that then causes the rest of its mass to respond accordingly.  So little of such function in creatures other than the human, is a known science.  And possibly there may be (though in first appearance, same as we humans) a whole different wiring diagram within a bear’s skull.  And if that were to be correct, then any device designed for the human brain may very well not work to Mr. Ticked Off Black Bear - - not to mention Monsieur Grizzly.

Now I know there are those who will jump on this and correct that it is not the voltage but rather the amperage that is the wicked force behind all this, but for simplistic referencing of comparison, I’m just going to present it as ‘voltage,’ and its differences, a unit most everybody understands and can draw visual picture to.

All in all, I don’t think I’d be feeling too safe with a 100k volt Tazer if out bear shopping, not even for a black.  Logically, to up the anty to 150k volts, 200k or better, would be my choice of  ‘trust-your-life-to-a-Tazer’ weaponry.  At least a rapidly adjustable unit, customized to suit the foe.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on July 24, 2010, 09:35:18 PM
Larry, Your exactly right. The taser gun was designed to stun humans, and scare them into surrender, as you mentioned, that is our nature. A bear will most likely react like the bull in the video. This would not be a wise choice at all. I would feel alot safer with my 12 guage taser!!  <-star->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GPEX admin on July 24, 2010, 10:01:54 PM

eeeeeeee.....   :-\  for me, give me a hand grenade, rocket launcher, or maybe call in an air strike.   <-yahoo_>
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Wil on July 25, 2010, 06:26:14 AM
Seems to me those ordinary Tasers are for use on humans and designed NOT to kill, what with the lawsuits an stuff--i.e. Vancouver airport.  Now if I'm 200 lbs. and my black friend (still) hanging around my front yard is 600lbs. then an ordinary Taser's not going to bother him much.  (Air strike would probably work better alright!  <-laugh-> <-laugh->)  ...Wil
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on August 04, 2010, 11:27:17 PM
Anyone got any ideas on how to up the juice? Maybe a car coil? There are some really hot ones for racing.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: honeyman76 on August 05, 2010, 07:38:05 AM
My humble opinion is this, the Taser is deisgned as an alternate use of force to having to use a side arm and thus the officer using said taser fears grievace bodily harm or death. So, if I see a bear and he is within the 21 feet required in order to discharge the taser, I won't be pulling a taser, but rather my gun.  Remember 21 feet is max distance for a taser, coupled with the fact that you need to turn the taser on its side in order to hit a target that is horizonatal. This is because the cartridge that fits into a taser attach to it with the prongs vertical.  IMO, there are too many factors for this to be effective. Havings aid that, I would love to see someone try it lol and have it filmed.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on October 27, 2010, 10:11:08 PM
 ;D hey chux. remember the model "T" coil DEVIL&??  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on October 28, 2010, 01:42:00 AM
Jerry, How about hooking it up to a metal plate with some syrup on it.
Mite make him loose his taste for the place. DEVIL&?? DEVIL&??
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on October 28, 2010, 05:35:47 AM
Anyone unfortunate enough to encounter a coil in a bad way will not soon forget it.

"HOLY HOPPING GONADS BATMAN!!!!"  <~ShOcK~> <-hypnotized->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on October 28, 2010, 11:49:25 AM
 <-wave-> well a hair off the subject but maybe not. we all know that amps is where the volts get their kick. no idea how much is in the old "T" coil but i know from experiance it is plenty. darn thing will throw a spark 3" hooked to the old original 6volt dry cell. what could it do with 12volts behind it? just happen to have one in the bookcase right next to me if anyone would like to try it out. you will have to sign a disclaimer and notorize it.
     reminds me when i was a tad younger. 1949 to be exact. living in southren idaho we got our first look at television. first set was in the local morturary on new years day the whole town showed up to watch a football game.looked like they played in the worst snowstorm ever but it was tv. second set went to my best buddies dad. he set it up in his front room which had a large picture window. he was a large heavyset gruff ol dude and forbade us youngsters to watch it. if he caught us outside sneeking a peek it was of to the barn and the much feared belt.
     not to be outdone we soon discovered that while sparking away a "T" coil sent out a signal that raised cain with that tv signal. did i mention in those all us farm boys had a coil or two strictly for scientific purposes. any how the barn was about 100 feet from the house and you could see right into the front room and the much coveted tv. here each eve sat buddies dad in his huge overstuffed chair watching the tube and not allowing us to watch.
     we soon discovered that that signal would easily reach into the livingroom and make that sit up and dance. we would let that old man get settled into his chair with a glass of his homemade chokecherry wine. all comfy then buzzzz  he would hop up go to the set to adjust it. we could see the set from our perch in the barn let him adjust a  bit then turn off the coil. of course just as he would sit down buzzz. we came up with all kinds of variations of the buzzz. i dont believe i have ever laughed so long and as hard since. if we had been caught i most likley would not be here today or at the least in a wheelchair or on crutches. well guess thats enough ramble. let me know if any one wants to experiment with with my coil. chuck hows your syrup supply? and robin i just know you would love to nail batman in his sleep.  cheers   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on October 28, 2010, 04:42:40 PM
Lots of syrup Jerry. No bears..
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on October 28, 2010, 05:02:24 PM
 <-wave-> chux; you should take a trip to japan. understand they have even figured how to get past electric fences. seems they discovered that their rumps are fairly well insulated so they just kick into reverse and sail on through. i had no idea they had so many bears over there. over 2400 trapped this year and most killed and something like 74 maullngs. kinda makes alaska look pretty tame. anyhow bet a guy could get some pretty good practice over there and probably all the saki he could down. <-thinking->   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: goldspektre on October 28, 2010, 11:08:28 PM
     Are you kidding me,blowing an air horn at a grizzly is like farting in a Pitbulls face.. If and when you go into bear territory bring a 12 gauge loaded with solid slugs. Do not try not getting your PAL by setting up some lame livestock fence to thwart bear encounters.Get your PAL , learn how to use firearms , and shoot to kill if you encounter a bear that will not back down.Do not play dead because bears will eat living or dead prey.Try to discourage an attack by shouting and throwing rocks as a last ditch effort before shooting.Making your presence known only works with black bears to a limited degree(even they are losing their fear)Grizzly's don't care , would you if you were a 1000 lbs???I do not hunt except at Safeway, I love bears but me or him....He's losing if I get my way!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on October 28, 2010, 11:33:39 PM
While I also rely on a 12 guage I do carry bear spray and on occassion an air horn.
The air horn s not used to stop a charge but to alert the bears to my presence and they clear out without me having to deal with them.
I have seen both the air horn and the spray work in real world situations and they have their place before the 12 guage has to be used.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: goldspektre on October 28, 2010, 11:44:19 PM
While I agree with GMS I do want anyone on this site to totally rely on the typical play dead,carry bells/ bear spray rhetoric . While a useful deterrent they are by no means an absolute survival method.Bears will and do return at night to get what they want . They are huge, powerful and intelligent creatures that live to breed,eat and sometimes sleep.I love to study them and their behaviour.There is one named Homer in Bridge River.I'm not sure if he's got himself shot dead yet but he's the biggest SOB I ever did see and i'm only 37 and hope to see more.No offence to anyone but get your PAL and use it as a last resort in your defence is all I meant.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Black Lab on October 29, 2010, 01:42:04 AM
While I also rely on a 12 guage I do carry bear spray and on occassion an air horn.
The air horn s not used to stop a charge but to alert the bears to my presence and they clear out without me having to deal with them.
I have seen both the air horn and the spray work in real world situations and they have their place before the 12 guage has to be used.
 Very good advice. There can a lot of dangers in the wild if you are not prepared. Best not venture out if you are worried about it. Maybe stay closer to town.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on October 29, 2010, 03:31:08 AM
While I also rely on a 12 guage I do carry bear spray and on occassion an air horn.
The air horn s not used to stop a charge but to alert the bears to my presence and they clear out without me having to deal with them.
I have seen both the air horn and the spray work in real world situations and they have their place before the 12 guage has to be used.
 Very good advice. There can a lot of dangers in the wild if you are not prepared. Best not venture out if you are worried about it. Maybe stay closer to town.
With all my time in the woods. I can only wounder how many times I had something stocking me like that. But I have always believed in walking with confident long steps that seems to keep everything away. And it is hard to be stocked and not know it if moving rather fast.
If there is a branch in the trail I try to break it under foot. the biger the better. As only something realy big could break something so big, by stepping on it. Critters don't know you mite be trying for it. As it is somthing they would never do.
Chuck.


Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Black Lab on October 29, 2010, 11:36:04 PM
I like to think I'm the predator.  ;D    
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Chuxgold on October 30, 2010, 12:06:56 AM
Also of note is the stride of a man. It is crunch, crunch. And is no like anything they would understand as being prey.
Chuck.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on November 02, 2010, 02:21:38 PM
well not trying to do battle with any one BUT. had a friend who lived out on the river system most of his life in heavy brown bear country and the only thing he used was an electric fence ad never had a problem inside his area lived to 95. also check out this story in todays anchorage daily news. think that youngster may argue the usefulness of playing dead. though i am sure nothing is 100 percent including a 50 cal. bang bang. just 2cents worth. well the download didnt work but this am a young school boy walking to school was knocked down at which time he rolled up and played dead and was clawed a little by a brownie sow. minor claw scrapes and on to school to tell his story. likley a big hit with the girls. jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: MephistoCat on November 02, 2010, 07:07:27 PM
do not  do what I do, that is walk silently an unseen in the woods.....its caused me a few bear encounters over the years. MAKE noise, SNAP twigs/branches a lot, bring a dog with you (Jack Russells are INSANE around bears, they go for the bears jewels...), bang on a cooking pot.

 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on November 02, 2010, 09:07:50 PM
mephisto. curious here. anchorage alone inside its city limits is home to approx 300 black bears and 40 grizzleys on occasion seen right downtown and often in subdivisions. not a lot of sticks, plenty of barking dogs sirens,choppers, planes both reciprocating and jet, automotive traffic,people talking and yelling and occasional gunshot at a gang get together. oh can only get a permit to carry a hand gun and must be over 18. so as you see there are a lot of different senarios. so there are a lot of different situations. what kind of noise would you make. i forgot to mention a whole bunch of moose. just last week a school boy was knocked to the ground by a cow moose played dead and moose left. sure not going say it will always work but sometimes you have no choice.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: MephistoCat on November 02, 2010, 09:12:05 PM
i can only speak of my experiences here in North van BC,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on November 02, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
Jerry Anchorage is not a fair comparison. Its in Alaska and Alaska has different rules. I would not be surprised to learn that many of those bears were on the voters lists.
"Oh boy lets vote for Obama - he looks delicious!!!"
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on November 02, 2010, 10:18:20 PM
golly. bears are pretty much bears wherever they reside and im hoping a winning majority think he looks really deeeelicious. take care and keep up the good work.   jerry


 of course  enviromental conditions account for some differences garbage, spawners gut piles or kills by other critters. but non should be taken lightly.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on January 25, 2011, 10:15:29 AM
 <-thinking->HEARD A NEW ONE ON THE USE OF DBBL "0" BUCKSHOT FOR BEARS JUST YESTERDAY. THIS FROM AN OLDTIMER BORN IN ALASKA. NO GOOD WITH HAIR BEING 2 OR 3 INCHES LONG AND SHOT COMING OUT OF THE BARREL SPINNING. WHAT HAPPENS IS THE SPINNING SHOT WINDS UP THE HAIR AROUND ITSELF SLOWING IT WAY DOWN THUS MAKING FOR POOR PENETRATION. NOT SURE HOW HE DETERMINED THAT BUT FOOD FOR THOUGHT.    <-dont~know-> <-dont~know->   JERRY
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: JOE S (INDY) on January 25, 2011, 11:07:26 AM
Jerry,

I once heard an old timer in the Dutch Hills swear that Hamms Beer was the only beer that wouldn't freeze in the Alaskan winter. :o

I politely listened and then promptly filed that information away - far away.   [email protected]* <-laugh->

I use 12 Gauge rifled slugs and that has worked for Alaskan miners for over 100 years.  <-yes_>

Joe
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: GollyMrScience on January 26, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
 <-thinking->   
I don't know of ANY beer that will freeze in an Alaska winter. I have never seen it last long enough to put it to the test.  <-laugh->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on January 26, 2011, 10:43:47 AM
 {-applause-}  golly; that has been the standard answer for years but not always true. about 5 years ago at -30f while riding a snowmachine out to the homestead once at the cabin i discovered that a couple of natures finest was missing. so back on the machine and retracing the trail. found them about 5  miles back. they had turned to slush. many times i have had my favorite suds turn to slush but do not recall ever seeing any that turned into a solid block of ice but enough expansion to crack a bottle or split a can. neat thing about todays suds you can freeze it, set it too close to the wood stove or leave it open for a few days, cool it an it is as good as the day first opened. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm    [^Crazy!#] [&whistle#] <-d'oh->  jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Bluestar9 on January 27, 2011, 09:27:49 AM
  WOW! What a thread, took me over 2-hrs to read it. At camp does peeing all around the perimeter either encourage or discourage bears & cougars or no effect at all? I've used air horns in my yard on black bears. It got their attention but didn't really scare them. The pot banging thing seemed to drive them out of the yard the best.
I live in the US so we can have hand guns. What is the auto handgun of choice in the bush?
Thanks, Bill
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on January 27, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
 <-wave-> mornin bluestar9. dont believe i have heard of a favorite auto for bear country although i know a couple of fellows that carry glock 10mm. most folks that carry hand guns in alaska bear country carry a 44mag, 454 casul or larger revolver. me when carrying i pack a 357 with hard cast rounds. as effective as a 44 with reg sporting ammo and a whole lot lighter..   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Doug Watson on January 27, 2011, 10:27:51 PM
If you use a dog be sure you get one that doesn't get the bear mad then comes to you to hide! Doug.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Bluestar9 on January 28, 2011, 07:06:13 AM

An ideal defense item for a bear attack is a multi-purpose walking stick/combat pole/lance, maybe 6’ to 7’ long, about the diameter of a shovel handle, and preferable out of hickory, so it’s good and solid, with some weight but not so heavy to tote around like oak.  But oak will do just fine.  Now, taper one end to a rather sharp point.  ‘Tis a great walking tool, when held with both hands a great combat weapon, and for a grizzly attack, a lance to pierce him through.  Most bears when attacking rise to their feet and lurch forward to pounce on you - - their way of gaining overpowering control.  If all comes to that stage, hold the shaft with both hands as shown in the sketch, with its butt firmly pressed to the ground, and direct the point shaft to take the bear in the heart area as it’s coming down on you, as you squat to the ground to give leeway for your weapon to do its job.  And hopefully you’ll have found your mark.... but either way, you’ll inflict some serious damage to old bruin and likely he will then retreat.  Remember this too, for maximized control, if right handed, use your left arm be the one holding the upper portion of the shaft (vice versa for left handed people).... much more accuracy control that way.  If short on long wood for a shaft, even a very long shovel handle of good material, will make a good stick.

http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/selfdefencestick.jpg[/img]](http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/selfdefencestick.jpg) (ftp://[img)

One thing to remember, an attacking bear will generally do the pounce, to over-power its prey, so stand tall so it has to go to an upright position to become dominate over you.  And then very vulnerable to your pointed shaft.  Should he succeed, the head and neck will likely be its primary target... they know very well the best kill zone on living things.  Same with cats (pussy winkles right up to lions), they all know the most vulnerable locations.  So when hiking in with gear and a back pack, ensure one is high enough to protect the neck and back of your head.

If you want to see this technique in action watch the movie "The Edge" Great movie, think I'll pull it out again & watch it after reading this post. One of those movies that I had to have my own copy.
pjstarchild, have you ever seen the movie? Don't know whether to tell you to watch it or not. As nervous as you are you may never go into the bush again.  <~ShOcK~> [email protected]*
Happy trails,
Bill
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 03, 2011, 08:49:52 PM
Hey Bluestar Bill, I have seen that movie awhile back...good movie. But, it is movies like that one that I think gave me such a fear of bears. I think I have overcome a bit of my fear, thanks to some kind people in these forums  {-applause-} ...and no thanks to the people who added to the scary stories and posted pics..  ;) All in all, more positive than negative. Not to mention I have a good prospecting buddy that always ends up walking up front when were in the bush....  <-laugh->  :P (Hey Dan...lol). Anyways its listening to the experienced that has helped overcome the Hollywood horrors.  <-star->
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: finch68 on March 03, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
At $1400 per ounce I am more afraid of bad guys than I am of bears.  LOL

finch68
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on March 03, 2011, 09:18:28 PM
Good point!!! The $1400+/ounce does take my mind off the bears too!! And not many humans have set foot at my main area of concern... so not too worried about the bad guys. Not to mention, with my history.. I probly know the bad guys by name.  <-laugh->  DEVIL&??  ;)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: upacreek on March 26, 2011, 09:19:54 AM
the bad guys may rob or shoot you but that wouldn't be as bad as slowly becoming a gooy pile of bear doo-doo .what effect does a loud radio have ? i know the stuff my kids listen to will drive me away ,
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: prospector1 on March 26, 2011, 09:48:09 AM
well I never go prospecting with out a side arm & a rifle, ive a couple bad experences had to shoot a couger ont time had no choice. seen a ton of black bear none of them ever bothered me
 I dont prospect with out two things. a pardner & a gun just my rule of thumb. by the way  im in northern californis dont think we have grizs here but more blacks than  id like to see.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Guest on March 26, 2011, 10:40:52 AM
Myself I pack a gun, but I generally leave it in camp, mainly for the two legged trouble that might wander in, in the bush I pack bear spray and a bowie, and a lot of attitude, has worked for me for over 30 years, have found if you let the critters know you're there loud and proud they give you room, course during Salmon season I don't walk around with a salmon in my backpack if ya know what I mean........Guest
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Pudder on March 27, 2011, 12:30:01 AM
wow just read this whole thread----fascinating to say the least. A million pages ago you were asking about cats (cougars). I read on another post somewhere that in the old days people would sew a fake set of eyes on the back of their hats, with the theory that a cat usually sneaks up behind his prey, but wont attack if it thinks it is being watched. Now a bear is different. Bears would most likely leave me alone because I am 140 lbs and I am going to have a smell omitting from me that would make a skunk envious!!! [email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: spud on March 27, 2011, 11:27:13 PM
Ill stay downunder you guys can have all those things that can eat ya!!! ;D
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: BINZ on March 28, 2011, 12:20:05 AM
i haven't read all the posts so i don't know if it was mentioned but. from personal experience being up in grizzly country and working in the river with my dad handling fish (dads a fisheries biologist) when we were working in an area we would taking fishing line with bells on the line around us about a foot or 2 off the ground. The bells ringing when something bumped into the line. Just in case one did decide to come check us out. it gave us a little time to advise the situation in which case after hollering and shouting and caring on as if we'd lost our minds they just left, except one that got bear sprayed and it took off like a bat out of a cave !  [!!DANCE!!]
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on March 28, 2011, 09:40:22 AM
binz; i know this has been posted before but maybe its time again.   jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: placer on April 23, 2011, 09:57:11 PM

field tests on bear repellants including pinesol,horns etc.....


http://www.bearbiology.com/fileadmin/tpl/Downloads/URSUS/Vol_7/Miller_Gary_D_Vol_7.pdf
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: Yellowrocks on September 03, 2011, 11:26:40 PM
My 870 pump 12 gauge is the best thing to pack for close encounteres of the unwanted kind, 00 buck really changes a bears mind about inviting me to dinner.
I kindly say no, if that doesn't work, then the buckshot has the last say.
Bear spray is useless if there is a good wind going the wrong way.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on December 15, 2011, 08:32:52 PM
OK, so to add to my reply in the christmas 2011 contest.

I had a close call this summer. OK so quick forum review, I have a fear of bears, I bought a shotgun for this reason, I have a few prospecting spots of interest in bear infested country......

I thought i would try a creek i have been looking at for a long time. It crosses the forestry road, and would be a quick test of the area. Pulled over next to where it crosses, and grabbed my pan and shovel. Checked right next to the road.....not much, maybe a bit further up......not much, seen a bit of a waterfall and thought that would be a better indicator of the area. As i got there i noticed a pile of bear poop.....it was very fresh! So i figured i tested enough and should get back to the Rav quickly. As i was putting my stuff away, i seen a black bear cub walk up to the side of the road about 15' away.....i quickly got into the Rav and while looking for the camera, noticed the mother come up to the road as well. I watched it as it watched me. The cub then went on and played in the creek right where i first started panning. So........one more pan, and they would have come up on me in there territory. AND, best of all.....after all the talk in this thread, and after all that i learned.... I left my gun in the Rav because it was just a quick sampling, by the side of the road. Chicken in this area for a reason folks!!!!!!!  :P  [email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: jack on December 15, 2011, 09:09:41 PM
A friend sent me this email. He said it would be ok to post it in this forum

"Last Monday morning he came out to find the inside of his 18 month old Toyota Sequoia trashed.  A grizzly bear had somehow got a door open (easy considering the way the handles are) and once inside got trapped when the door shut behind him.  Probably the wind.  The Toyota was a platinum edition, all the door panels were ripped off, the headliner torn to pieces, all headrests, the leather seats, the dash shredded.  The steering column was twisted sideways.   Two of the six airbags went off, the other four the bear ripped to pieces.  You can imagine a trapped grizzly being hit with an airbag in  an enclosed space must have figured he was in for the fight of his life.  When the bear ripped off the door panels he clawed all the wiring harnesses out.  Toyota figures every wire he pulled or clawed at resulted in bells, voices or sparks.  The head mechanic at Calgary Toyota doubted if they had the expertise to put it back together.   To add insult to injury the bear took a big dump in the back of the SUV and then broke out the rear window.   Fish and wildlife officers have inspected the damage and figure it was a 3 year old grizzly.  From blood left behind they are doing DNA.   The vehicle has been written off, cost new over 70,000 they stopped counting repair costs at 60,000"
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: OK-AL on December 16, 2011, 12:40:24 AM
shot gun is a good camp gun also found it was never in the right spot when I was out and about. Going to be in Edmonton over Christmas and will test fire some more hand guns the 50cals are to much gun for me so going to test fire a S&W M+P 40cal any suggestion's.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: lepdog on December 16, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
The reply from GollyMrScience at the beginning of this thread was pretty well the best advice on the thread. 2 comments from me: We used to attract bears, black and grizz by tapping rocks together. And I had a friend who raised >Rotweillers many years a go. Bred and sold before they were popular with drug dealers. He had an old dog who was pretty sick so this guy takes the dog to the dump along with a shotgun loaded with ssg. Takes the dog to the edge of the pit tells it to stay, walks off a few feet and shoots the dog in the chest. Turns around and start walking away with tears in his eyes. Hears an odd noise turns around and here comes his good buddy dog bleeding all over itself to see him. Just about cracked him up but he managed to put the dog down. Up until then I had thought a shotgun was good bear defense.

keith
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: ole63 on December 17, 2011, 08:03:04 PM
1. You need a gun
2. You need a partner with a gun
3. Be alert
4> If you see baby bears leave the area!
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on December 23, 2011, 04:28:41 PM
 [^Crazy!#]  [^Crazy!#] think ill toss this in for the heck of it,  happened last wed.  jerry



                     someday i will learn how to do this right. but for now its there. honest


























Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: mikesmegabits on December 23, 2011, 11:37:42 PM
Only read a couple pages back and have seen most posts about guns...

I've spent about 20 years out in the backcountry of the Alberta foothills and mountains, as well as the past 10 or so here in the BC forests. As a matter of fact, my house is in the bush and we've had a good sized black bear and its cub walk about 20 yards away from my front door.

I have never owned a gun. That being said, I have the book here and am planning on taking the course etc to get my card etc. Someday...

I have always carried bear spray. Even on my ATV when i'm riding. I've had my old Rottie up until last April. Not sure how much help he would have been other than early warning. We have an English Mastiff now. We'll see how he does out in the woods. I've never had to use the bear spray. In fact I think i should buy some newer bottles. Apparently they have an expiry date.. (Check yours!)

I have actually driven my ATV less than 20 yards from a big black bear up on Vernon mountain here in the Okanagan. I was amazed it didn't spook. He prob has seen a lot of bikers and atv's up there. He just sat there on the corner of this trail we were riding on... And even more weird was when we had to turn around, I was freaking out that we'd have to go by it again... and there he was, same place.. Just turned his head as he sat there, and watched us go by. I've seen a LOT of bears out on my ATV. All of them except that one has run like a bat out of hell.

Just this summer I read a story about a guy out near Lumby or Cherryville who was out hunting and got charged by Grizz. The rangers said he was very lucky he wasn't killed. He got the bear exactly where he had to. Even then, the bear ran away and bled out a short way away. It could have easily kept at the hunter. It was a high power hunting rifle too.. Not a shotgun.

Handguns wouldn't be much more than a bear banger I would think. Like a pellet gun to a larger bear. (Maybe a desert eagle might give you a chance...) I've read lots of posts from guys up in Alaska who are legally allowed to carry handguns (we are not legally allowed to carry handguns loaded on your person in the bush in Canada remember, they are restricted..) who have experience in just how un-useful they are. Not only that, but most of them say that rifles and shotguns can only be so effective too, especially against the larger bears like full grown Griz. (Do a google search.. I spent a couple hours reading some amazing stories!)

This all being said....when the time comes and I have my legal cards to carry a shotgun out in the bush, you bet i will. I've seen some of the youtube vids of the guys panning with the rifle/shotgun on the strap of their shoulders. I'd be that guy, but you can bet it would be loaded for bear. Buckshot would be almost worthless at longer ranges.. I would think a larger ball shot would be the way to go, with a pump action or semi auto... 4-5 in the magazine ready to go. It would take more than one probably. When a bear is coming to eat you, you aren't shooting to scare or freak it out, you want to lay it down.

I have a friend who tents it a lot in the backcountry. (Big time mountain biker.) He actually buys those little battery powered personal alarm things the gals carry around in the purse etc.. When you pull the pin on it, it emits a crazy loud shrilling shreaking sound. He ties a fishing line or string to the loops and sets up a perimeter around the surrounding area of the camp. If you ask me, it would scare the HELL out of me if I was sleeping in the tent and heard one go off at 3am. hahahah I don't think its ever happened for him though. He has a shotgun usually in the tent with him too though. I prefer to sleep in a hardshell camper or trailer now myself... (Or even in the back of my Jeep.)
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: juu907 on December 24, 2011, 09:54:28 AM
 <-wave-> welcome there mike and happy holidays. i know i have said this before but some folks just dont get it. check out hard cast ammo for your 12ga.  they are a tiny bit smaller dia. than regular slugs and a harder material than reg slugs. the reason for that is the various sized chokes used in shotguns.no need to blow yourself up. reg slugs are sized larger but much softer so they can form to the size of the choke without creating dangerous pressures. because of this they do not penetrate very deep if a bone other dense material get in the way. i have seen a brownie shot with a 12 with reg slugs where the first shot barely made it through the hide that can be quite thick and dense. the hard cast are made to drill baby drill. they bust through bones and keep on punching the vitals are after all deep inside. they work well in hand guns and long guns also. do not use soft point or hollow point ammo. whatever you arm yourself with take it out to a shooting range and become very familuar with it. stay calm in an emergency. blowing holes in the great blue yonder will do no good. and dont do as the fellows up north last wed. keep your gun and ammo together or have a buddy along with a hammer and a calm and fearless frame of mind.   cheers    jerry
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: pjstarchild on December 24, 2011, 11:43:14 PM
Hey Jack..... just read the news report about the bear that tore up the toyota. It was in Waterton Park, Alberta, and sure made a mess!!! Lesson learned.... ;)

So folks.... I will be well prepared next season..... so if your out prospecting and see a blue Rav4 parked by the side of the road......... heads up!!!!!!  [email protected]*
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: muconium on December 27, 2011, 06:27:28 PM
have a buddy along with a hammer and a calm and fearless frame of mind.   cheers    jerry

LOL! As my old boss told me when I first started working as a timber marker, the best way to disable a bear is wait until one is close enough, reach in its mouth, grab hold of its spine and turn it inside out.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: wellzite on December 29, 2011, 12:06:56 PM
My experience with bears is in the area has let me find out a few things about them
 1 Most of the time you leave them alone they leave you alone
 2 Do not anger a bear and they leave you alone
 3 When you see a bear do not approach go the other way if to close
 4 When farther away watch quietly and learn.
 With these simple rules and common sense you can avoid most bear problems before they happen,for example where we were last year my partner and I had a sow bear with 2 cubs that were born this year,she never came into our camp,and yet we saw her and the cubs swimming not 200 yards away,walking across a beaver dam, going thru the bush,all in one evening and the one cub was very upset and howling for mom,it was seperated for awhile and actually headed towards our camp but heard mom and went the other way,this same family unit was seen in the area by us several times on different occasions but was never a problem. Why you ask?? RESPECT no noise no tempting  smells,we tried our best to live with nature. These were Black bear
 Any experience with Grizz is about the same I have never had a problem I mine an area were they come to eat greens early in the year and have had a couple follow me within 50 feet, one stood on his hind legs and was looking me over pretty good but I stood stock still, and told the bear he did not want to eat me, as funny as it sound s the bear got down and walked over to a nearby dandelion patch and was into that in a hurry
Dogs are handy in the bush as long as you get a good one some will tend to lead the bear back to you.I had a Lab
and she would stand between me and anything that would threaten me or my property.



Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: dagrub on February 18, 2012, 08:22:46 AM
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Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: overtheedge on February 18, 2012, 06:48:49 PM
I live smack dab in the middle of bear country; blacks and browns. How many? The annual bag limit is 3 blacks and 1 brown. I carry a 44Mag with hardcast 320 grains and just under max loads.

I prefer a 12 ga with hardcast slugs, but the problem is you have to set it down to work. Buckshot will get you hurt or killed. Bear spray works sometimes. Without practice, neither spray or a gun is much use.

I know that the sound of a pump does NOT keep em away. A 3-4YO brown sneaked within 30-40 meters of me several times last year. How do I know? His fresh tracks were in mine.

I like to carry a steel pan banging on my pack when going to and returning from the river which is a salmon stream. I do have a handy defensive weapon in my hand quite often; a garden spading fork aka 4 tine spear. Will it stop a bear? No way, but it might give me time to drag iron out to administer the coup de grace.

Only had one on the property and he/she was looking in the window of my garage where I had a caribou hanging. Fortunately he left, but my wife and girls had to use a thunder mug for a few hours until then.

Gonna make me a 24KHz squealer from a piezoelectric transducer. Just a high powered dog whistle. Will it work? I don't know. I can't hear it and dogs do. I'll give er a try. Maybe it will work.

I do have a perimeter alarm that uses a trip cord to activate when I'm camping. Just a piezo sounder, battery and 3 small solar cells to keep the battery charged. The trip cord is attached to clothespin switches that act as the on switch. When I install it, there are switches at alternate corners with half a clothespin tied to the cord which is tied on on each end to a stake. Both switches share common end stakes.

Oh, don't keep you bear spray in the house. The valves are known to leak. And like anything else if it ain't handy and quick to deploy, it is just excess weight to pack.

Stay off  the bear trails or at least make yourself known with lots of noise. I wonder if bears like "Iron Maiden." I do.
eric
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: PlacerPal on February 18, 2012, 09:27:27 PM

Except for the smell skinning and then rendering the fat, I like the idea of 3 Blacks and 1 Brown.
How much are the tags?

 :)

Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: overtheedge on February 19, 2012, 04:17:38 PM
I don't know for non-residents. I prefer moose myself with chicken uh, er caribou second. Well caribou doesn't have much more flavor than chicken. Even caribou liver is fairly tasteless. Gives a whole new meaning to "season to taste."

So far I haven't been forced to kill a bear as I'm not real fond of the flavor (fishy hereabouts) or real skinny in the spring.

All I want is just a few square meters to work and the bears can have the rest.
eric
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: DIGGER44 on October 13, 2016, 07:36:33 PM
I heard pjstarchild was attacked by a grizzly while panning and died.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: mcbain on October 13, 2016, 08:13:16 PM
Hi digger 44.It makes me sad when a minor gets killed.by a bear.There is no absolute protection.But like all things in life we take our chances and hopefully get bush smart before going out.30 million people and maybe 1 bear attack a year causing death.That being said .How many people die every day just getting in a car?2-100 folks killed eveyday going out on the highway.Bear was not involved no wildlife was.Think about it and take your chances.I will face a bear anyday before facing all the driverless cars in B.C. lowermainland.Luck Mcbain.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: jobinyt on October 13, 2016, 09:59:02 PM
Dang - that is sad.  Bears (and cougars) are dangereous critters. Can't let your awareness/avoidance slip and can't loose your head and nerve in an encounter.

One thing about guns - lots of opinions here, but my choice instead of a rifle - too maulings are committed by bears after they are fatally shot - if I were making a firearm my primary defense (I think you only get one chance with whatever you choose - not enough time to spray then shoot) would be a 12 gauge with premium buckshot and plan on just one shot, head shot, at VERY close range.

Stay safe - a very experienced woman prospector lives up the street from me. Middle of day, with dog present, above treeline, and observed from other side of small treeless valley, was attacked by grizzly. Easy for me to say, 'Not too bad.', but she'll never again have full use of one arm.

Yeah - most experiences for most people end peaceably - but never forget that past performance is not a reliable predictor of future performance. Working on your knees along a noisy creek is high risk, even if the risk is low.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: mcbain on October 14, 2016, 07:38:28 PM
Hi.Silver.Very good statsI did not take the time to compare them to traffic deaths.But am sure the caparison would run millions to one.All that being said Bear attacks do happen.I know of several where drillers were attacked by starving wounded bears and others for no apparent reason.Normally after all the investigations are done there is a human cause somewhere.Not always but most times.They never talk about females on their monthly or even look atDogs on the same.Afemale dog can get you wiped out fast.But we never hear about these things.I think if they started making the cause of the attact known folks might get better educated.Just my thoughts Luck Mcbain.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: mcbain on October 14, 2016, 09:09:25 PM
Hi.Silver.I just like you spent the last couple hours researhing bear kills in b.c.. even tried names.nothing comes up except that kid in mekenzie a while back.Phils last post was dec.2014.To much crap on youtube and facebook these days.Do not know .luck Mcbain.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: panhandler on October 14, 2016, 09:23:43 PM
I have seen more bears close to town than I have in the bush over 30 years of flyfishing, camping & prospecting. Should be more careful in the back yard.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: mcbain on October 15, 2016, 08:41:09 PM
Hi.Digger.Stats say there is one canadian killed buy a bear every 5 years,Canada wide.Pjstarchild even under his real name does not come up any where.Any comment would help some of the folks that knew him personal.Curiuose as too your info.Luck Mcbain.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: shuswapdon on October 15, 2016, 11:12:39 PM
Bears are not a problem if you prospect in the late fall and winter including panning unless the stream is frozen solid.  I have been all over GRIZZ country and never seen one, just do not investigate caves.  During other times if you find color, stay upwind and release skunk scent if you need to, I have found it very effective; allowing you time to leave.  A grizzly can move with incredible speed, they can even outrun a horse on the quarter mile, so don't chance a meeting.  Bear "bangers" may chase him/her but even a 45-70 chest shot may not bring them down.  Good luck
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: DIGGER44 on October 16, 2016, 09:18:09 AM
I saw a blue RAV4 in fernie!  It looked just like pjstarchilds.  I was stuck at the light then lost the RAV4.  I just heard that he was attacked by a bear.  I assumed he was dead the way the story went.  I have met him a few times in wild horse panning.  He had a real good nose for finding gold.   Hi Lo silver and mcbain you seem to know him better give him a call and see if he is actually dead?  I feel like an idiot saying I saw him in fernie,  it sounds like an Elvis sighting.  Could you guys find out what is going on?  The rumours are flying around the East Kootenays.
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: DIGGER44 on October 16, 2016, 09:59:59 AM
Hi lo silver did you check Facebook?  I don't know his last name just his first.  I still remember the first day I met him he shook my hand and said hi I'm Phil, your digging in the wrong spot, see that rusty gravel dig there.  It was my first time panning and he helped me out a lot on what to look for and where to dig.  Just a solid upstanding guy.  I would really hope he is alive. 
Title: Re: Is panning in Grizzly country safe??
Post by: White Dog on October 16, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
In my 40+ years in northern bc i have been run off to my truck once and treed twice by grizz in addition one young one about 2 years old had me cornered and i chased him off bouncing baseball sized rocks off his head and yelling Had a buddy treed for a whole day by a sow with cubs  Always take tp with you .you might need it!!!