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Title: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on October 02, 2009, 03:05:27 PM
I'm not talking about Native American paintings or carvings I am talking about Old World writing.

I have been interested and doing personal research in this area for over 15 years and have traveled to and examined engraved rocks in several states, Oklahoma has the largest occurance to my knowledge, and I have formulated a theory that is not a new one but my version has a unique twist to it.

I believe that the Welsh Prince Madoc is responsible for some of these markings, this is not new at all. What is new is the time period that I suggest.

The common theory is that Madoc visited Mobile Bay in 1170 well my theory puts him there about 600 years earlier. Through extensive research I have come to the conclusion that Madoc was the son of a 5th Century King and the brother of the infamous King Arthur. Several other researchers, after examining the appropriate Welsh document agree with this idea.

Now my point is that Madoc first visited the Atlantic coast making his way down and into the Gulf area finally arriving at the Mississippi river. He then made his way up the river reeaching the St Louis area. I don't feel that his explorations ended there. If he had followed the Mississippi river he could have ended up in the Great Lakes and from there it is natural to follow the flow down river to find the Atlantic again.

If he did this it would make sense for him to continue with his habit of marking stones with Ogham or Runic writing.

I am aware that some stone were found in Quebec that had what appeared to be runic writing on them and are called the Sherbrook Stones but I do not know where these stones now lie.

If anyone has any information on carved stones in Canada I would appreciate if you post them here, thanks for your time.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: daemdaem on November 07, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
Hello, If you have some time on your hands there is a rather interesting  wooden carving under glass at the museum in Clinton B.C.  It is unlike anything I have seen before and is anomalous.  Thats all the hint I can give you, but I think it is runes.    Allan
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: sluicedog on November 07, 2009, 10:43:59 PM
Hello, If you have some time on your hands there is a rather interesting  wooden carving under glass at the museum in Clinton B.C.  It is unlike anything I have seen before and is anomalous.  Thats all the hint I can give you, but I think it is runes.    Allan

Shoot...not another Google search   ^#!
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on November 08, 2009, 11:07:23 PM
Don't mind Google searchs at all, in fact the research in this area is fun but in this case I am falling short. My WWW searchs for the aforementioned Runes have only turned up information on the museum and town not on the specific item.

Since it is very unlikely that I will be out west in the next year or so I would appreciate any tidbits you can throw my way on this item. Where, when and by whom this was found. Availability of pictures and any pertinent info would be appreciated.

Seems the older I get the less I travel must have something to do with the tiny airline seats LOL.

thanks for the tip Allan
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: PlacerPal on November 09, 2009, 12:30:03 AM
I doubt if we are going to find any Rune or Ogham artifacts in Canada other than those imported
or recently added.

A Swedish page, also in English. Kalle Dahlberg is a genuine carver of rune monument stones. His site
includes photos of stones he has carved, including one for the Leif Erikson memorial in Canada.
Till minne av Leif Erikssons upptäckt av Nordamerika (http://www.runestonecarver.com/gallery/25i-vinland.html)

But let me digress and tell a true story.

I was a student working for a mining company along with a group of Engineers, Geologists,
Chemists and Assayers. The Assayers were an interesting group and some of them while quite
aged had worked on the construction of the Hudson Bay CNR Railway extension from The Pas, MB
which at the time was called Le Pas a la Louis-Joseph Gaultier de La Vérendrye a French
fur trader and explorer who established a fur trading venture there in 1740. 

Manitoba History: Review: Turmoil and Triumph: The Controversial Railway to Hudson Bay (http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history/32/hudsonbayrailway.shtml)

The old Assayers told me about the hardships of working on the railway and what seemed to
be the never ending series of swamps and bogs. At one bog gravel was poured into the bog for
weeks trying to establish a rail bed. Suddenly one day a Viking ship totally preserved arose
from the swamp due to being displaced by all the gravel. The ship rose up, rolled over and
then sank back down into the bog. The Assayers marveled at the occurrence but strange
things happened frequently in the North including running across artifacts from Henry Kelsey.   

Over 1000 years ago the geography of the area which was lowlands to Hudson Bay must have been
very different and the Vikings may have been attempting to travel inland.

Nothing has ever been written about the Viking ship that I can find. Just first hand evidence
from a group of old Assayers I used to work and have coffee with and be spellbound by their tales.
I wondered why those old guys asked me so often how I liked the coffee? I soon found out when
I told the truth which automatically volunteered me to making the coffee!  :o

I cherish the memory of those old time Assayers and also the day I revolutionized Sam Donahue's
breakfast routine and his complaint about waiting for an egg to boil in the morning. Told Sam
no problem, while I am boiling the kettle and shaving, I put an egg on the kettle spout and by
the time I have finished shaving and cleaning up, the kettle is boiling and the egg is cooked.  <-laugh->
Already my course was set to be tinker and an inventor.

 :)
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on November 09, 2009, 11:28:58 AM
Placerpal that was a post worthy of a campfire and a cup of good coffee, thank you so much for sharing it with us I thouroughly enjoyed reading it.

The idea that the Vikings have visited our fair northland is one that is very old long before it was substantiated by the findings in Newfoundland. Farley Mowat wrote a wonderful story about the finding of a Viking gravesite and set the location in approximately the same area as your story of the Viking ship maybe he heard the tail from one of the old timers you talk of. The fact is though they have been now proven to have been here there is only one true Viking Runestone (the Kensington Runestone) that can be verified and even that one is hotly contested to this day.

The Runestones I seek are dated 500 to 600 years before the Vikings. I know it is a fanciful idea but the runes in Oklahoma so far support my theorry. My real question I quess is how far north did these people travel.

You are quite right in that so far I have not found one authentic runestone in Canada.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: tomcat on November 09, 2009, 12:25:35 PM
Sorry to interupt...but what are you guys talking about .....I.ve never heard of these Rune or Ogham artifacs you speak of.. <-dont~know->
Do you have a picture of one?? ....so I can follow along reading your posts.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on November 09, 2009, 05:40:24 PM
What we are talking about Tomcat is an ancient form of writing used between 200 and 800 AD in Europe.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: tomcat on November 09, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
 <-hypnotized-> <-hypnotized-> <-hypnotized->     <-idea-> <-idea->    did it sound like drums beating and smoke plumes  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on November 09, 2009, 05:52:24 PM
Drums beating????????

Here are a couple of pics of the three most famous stones

1) Heavener Runestone
2) Shawnee Runestone
3) Poteau Runestone

Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: PlacerPal on November 09, 2009, 09:10:45 PM
Drums beating????????

Here are a couple of pics of the three most famous stones

1) Heavener Runestone
2) Shawnee Runestone
3) Poteau Runestone

Thanks Merlyn, very interesting. Nordic Futhark Rune script no doubt?

Here is a message that won't rune you day!

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 :)
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: sniper on November 09, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
intersting, and good to know, but its all greek to me
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: sluicedog on November 09, 2009, 09:20:35 PM
You could use that as a claim marker.....no one would return  ;D <-laugh->
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: PlacerPal on November 09, 2009, 09:40:01 PM
You could use that as a claim marker.....no one would return  ;D <-laugh->

Good Idea!  {cool^sign}

Here is a better one. Sez "Mineral Claim No Prospecting"
Of course maybe only the Norwegians would understand it?  ;D

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 :)
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: sluicedog on November 09, 2009, 09:42:06 PM
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Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: sluicedog on November 09, 2009, 09:51:07 PM
Ya know after Merlyn555 posted those great pictures...it ocurred to me that I have seen writing like that...it was scratched into the concrete at the BC Pennitentiary just before they tore it down ....looked just like that.
Someone told me that Penn had been there since the beginning of time.. <-good_>
Do you suppose ???
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on November 11, 2009, 01:18:58 AM
Having seen BC Pen in it's prime I don't doubt you at all Sluicedog but it wasn't as old as the one I used to work in KP built 1835.

Actually Placerpal it is closer to Elder Futhark with a mixture of Kymeric or Old Welsh I've attached a pic of it for you to study.

My translation of the Heavener Runestone is way off the official translation of "Glome's Valley" which stretches the translating a bit and reads from left to right which is wrong. Runic writing is read from right to left. My translation is simple, "Glo Medal" which when read right to left and translated from the Old Welsh means soft coal. And wouldn't you know that the stone sits just on the edge of the only soft coal deposit in Oklahoma....
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: finch68 on November 11, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
I had a dear friend and colleague (unfortunately died a few years ago) who, after a great career as a chemist and researcher in the minning business went to work as a volunteer for the Denver Museum of Natural Science.  While working on a method for authentication of ancient North American ceramics, he introduced me to the ideas and writings of the late Dr. Barry Fell who had done tons of work on the existence of ancient Norse and related runes in North America.

Unfortunately, Barry Fells work has been largely rejected or ignored by folks who have their own pet theories and agendas.  However there is a large body of written reports by Dr Fell discussing the possible existence and interpretations of runic inscriptions (including Ogham) in North America.  In one paper he describes an occurence near Peterbourough, Ontario.

I suggest, if you hve not done so already, follow some of the papers by Dr. Fell for an interesting insight into his thinking.

finch68
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on November 13, 2009, 08:33:01 AM
Thank you finch68 for the advice. I am very aware of Dr. Barry Fell's works and must say he was a pioneer in the field. Unfortunately advances have been made since and most of his work has been proven wrong, this does not detract from his effort though only proving that science corrects it's self as it learns.

I have visited the "Teaching Rocks" at Peterbourgh often as they are close to me and they are very interesting but I fail to find even one authentic runic symbol in their midst. All symbols at this site appear to be original native pictographs and superb examples at that. Viewing the large collection under one roof is worth the trip.

I must say that I had the extreme pleasure of speaking with Ms Gloria Farley before she died, she was Dr. Fells assistant on many of his excursions and the leading expert on the Heavener Runestone. We discussed the stone in detail and I presented my explanation of translation, to say the least it was a lively discussion but we parted friends and I wish I had visited her at least once more before her passing.

Anyway the search continues.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: SeloamLakeGoldMiner on February 23, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Runic Stone - Yarmouth County Museum and Archives (http://yarmouthcountymuseum.ednet.ns.ca/runic_stone.html)

this is kept in the Yarmouth museum In south-west Nova Scotia on the Fundy Coast. It unique in that it Still exists, match's no known stone deposit near us. and HAS been deciphered. if interested please google it some more as it makes for an interesting adventure. I have personally looked upon and photographed this stone. there was a supposed second stone which was lost before their importance was discovered.
I will leave it up to you to research and formulate your own opinion as Nova Scotians have Many of their own.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Merlyn555 on February 23, 2010, 11:33:55 PM
Now that's what I'm talkin about!!!!  <-yahoo_>  Thank you very much this is a totally new one on me....

Too bad I didn't know about this last weekend I was in Halifax and would have nipped over to see it.

Going to do some more research on it before I comment on it more.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: SeloamLakeGoldMiner on February 24, 2010, 04:40:56 AM
Frederick Julius Pohl | LibraryThing (http://www.librarything.com/author/pohlfrederickjulius)


Ive included this link to an online bookstore only as it has a few books you might want to read if your looking into the early crossings and ogham, the author did an amazing amount of research at a time when science had just about written of the saga's. in the book"prince henry sinclair" is the amazing knight in full armour in boston etched into gnesiss by punch hole and holdinga coat of arms unheard of since 1300's of the 'Gunn' clan.

in The Lost Discovery Uncovering the Track of the Vikings in America a very interesting ogham stone found in the MIDDLE of either america or Canada( cant remember) was found and deciphered and told the story of a fierce battle between Indigenous peoples and a number of what can only be described as Norsemen and Ostrogoths with a casualty list and directions of whence they came.
Kensington Runestone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone)
it like others has been labeled a fake

I dont expect you to buy these things from the site,I just have used it as a list of books to look for in your local
library

this also has some interesting Info on it

Where in North America did the Vikings settle? (http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/vikings.html)
it also has some info on the "spirit pond stone"
and this is dedicated to it.
The Spirit Pond Inscription Stone (http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf093/sf093a01.htm)
it has been called a hoax, but has yet to be proven so 100%
enjoy this, it was Literally THESE stories that you now follow that led me on my quest. I have visited some very freaky places all over Nova Scotia due to Frederick Pohls books. and found exactly the same things he did when he was writting.And led me into Gold Prospecting ( some maps are very interesting ).
Good Hunting
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: Herman on September 19, 2016, 07:37:10 PM
Im lookng for stuff older than what u are.there is a rock carving just outside of Pemberton its of a spaceman and is older than the Indians around here.Even the elders admitted it.So people have been here before the Indians.I suspect this info will be hard to fidn because it would interfer with the land claims going on.
Herman
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: nite hawk on March 25, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
I have a theory - don't know if it is true, that the reason more  Ooparts ( out of place artifacts ) are found in the USA is for a couple of reasons. First you have a greater population density, so there is  more people per square mile, to stumble on things that are "out there".
The second reason that I think more things are found in the US is that there have been a number of volcanic flows ( thinking B,C,) which have buried things.. Also, in the northern parts, you have permafrost which can keep things locked up tight in the ground.. I do remember a few years back when Chinese coins from I think around the 1500s  era were found in the Yukon. Well the powers that be tried to push it under the rug saying that someone some how dropped these ancient coins and they were buried in the permafrost..
If you want an interesting read,, Trying to remember if it was David Thompson or MacKenzie, but I read in their personal journal ( got it from the library ) that during their travels in the northern either Alberta--B.C area they ran into "elephants" ( mammoths ?) and  tracks that frightened their Native guides terribly, and if I remember correctly they actually saw the animals.. The Natives were terrified and told them their guns would not stop these animals ..
Why don't the powers that be not bring that journal to the forefront and tell people that "elephants" ( mammoths?) existed not that long ago in Canada..??
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: graeme1955 on March 28, 2019, 12:31:02 PM
I have heard about a carving in the rock on the ridge above Alexandra lodge on the old Hudson bay brigade trail, some  suspect it could be Ogham or Runic. I have never seen this carving myself, is there anyone out there that knows anything about this carving? If so it would be interesting to hear of where exactly this is located, and or hear of any stories related to this. There were many explorers in B.C. , some of their stories were maybe lost to history, in North America a lot of written history only goes back to the Europeans settelement.
Title: Re: Has Anyone Found Ogham or Runic inscriptions in Canada?
Post by: nite hawk on March 28, 2019, 01:26:36 PM
Years ago a Sto'Lo   friend told me that she had been told of  a very large carved stone woman on a cliff side and the woman was pointing down into a valley. Supposedly there was something of value where she was pointing..
This was supposedly somewhere in the coastal area...
I do not know the truth of this story, but my friend felt that the story which had been passed down from Elders was true..