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Title: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: GPEX admin on January 27, 2008, 02:24:24 PM
Will open this topic primarily for others, but have many tales and accounts which I've researched out and feel to bear good merit - - but will for now, hold back to permit other members free floor space to bring theirs forth.
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: gnome on February 05, 2008, 02:40:30 PM
 have you anything on the penticton or tulameen areas ? any storys or info would be greatly apprecieated
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: rockpup on March 28, 2008, 06:44:34 AM
There is a real good book on this topic "historic treasures and lost mines" by N.L Barlee.I purchased it on ebay I dont know if it is still published.I would recomend any book from N.L Barlee, he has alot of historic information and hard to get knowledge on old placer creek locations.
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: gnome on April 09, 2008, 10:44:43 AM
thanks that is one book of barlees i haven't heard of i think I've readmost of his stuff I'll have to look into that one
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: rlknox88 on January 08, 2009, 10:55:42 AM
has anyone heard of or know where I might find info on a gold heist occurring near kingman which has the stagcoach was robbed and pushed into a arryo still there today and that a posse caught the robbers but killed them before finding where the gold was? some ppl have named this tale the ghost stagecoach robbery.
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: junior967 on January 18, 2009, 10:29:50 PM
rlknox88.... A little more info please. Like what state or area are you referring to when you say kingman? Do you know around what time in history we are talking about? I will see what I can dig up, I also have a friend that is a wiz at locating historical info
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: Phouse on January 19, 2009, 03:58:10 AM
gnome;

The P'house Pub Gold-Panning Team has been going up to Coalmont on the Tulameen, and above for years.  It is our "Social Trip" of the year.  I have found three nice little nuggets, one just downstream from the Forestry Campsite, one out of Blakeburn Creek before it got hydrolicked, and one out of Lawless Creek, just up from the confluence with the Tulameen.  All were under a quarter oz. but way better than a poke in the eye from a sharp stick.  It took many hours and days of solid searching though!  It is an area with very little fine gold, so it can be very discouraging.  We go up there for the feel of the History, to hang out in the Coalmont Hotel and shoot BS stories with the locals.  When we want to find gold we go to Lytton.

Good Luck!!
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: Guest on March 08, 2009, 09:39:27 PM
There is a real good book on this topic "historic treasures and lost mines" by N.L Barlee.I purchased it on ebay I dont know if it is still published.I would recomend any book from N.L Barlee, he has alot of historic information and hard to get knowledge on old placer creek locations.

There's also a great book that I just picked up at Deakin Industries in Vancouver called "Lost Bonanzas of Western Canada".. very interesting...  [!!DANCE!!]

http://www.bcbooks.com/lostbonanzaswc.html


Jennifer
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: Guest on March 08, 2009, 09:46:15 PM
rlknox88.... A little more info please. Like what state or area are you referring to when you say kingman? Do you know around what time in history we are talking about? I will see what I can dig up, I also have a friend that is a wiz at locating historical info

I'm only guessing but I reckon rlknox was referring to Kingman Arizona, located on I-40 between Needles, California and Flagstaff, Arizona.

This is probably the story they are referring to http://www.legendsofamerica.com/AZ-CanyonStationTreasure.html

Jennifer
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: ClickTheYellowChick on March 10, 2009, 10:03:17 AM
Hi, Jennifer!  Nice to meet another gal on the forum.  Nice research references you posted for your first posts, THANKS!  Looking forward to reading more about what you are up to, either side of the border! <-yes_>

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Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: Phouse on March 11, 2009, 01:25:38 AM
gnome;

Thank you for the appreciation and recognition of my direct response to your question. 
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: feeftynorth on April 26, 2009, 09:57:45 AM
Here's a cool story about a B-25, Gold Bars and a crash site just North of Maple Ridge BC;
Nazi Gold in British Columbia (http://www.bc-alter.net/dfriesen/bomber.htm)
Has anyone been up there?
Feefty
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: ClickTheYellowChick on April 26, 2009, 11:09:53 AM
Feeftynorth, COOL LINK!

Just wanted to emphasize for folks there are 2 short videos on that link as well.  Enjoy some Movies & Popcorn! <-yahoo_>
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: SweatingGold on April 26, 2009, 11:46:22 AM
thanks for the post good video!
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: d313373r on April 26, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
that story reminds me of the Toplitzsee (Toplitz Lake) in Austria where the nazis dumped counterfeit money and gold and who knows what ....
there are a quite a few other places like that in the Austrian Alps...
if anyone is going to check that area out drop by at my place in austria ;)
found this article about the Toplitzsee>>> Hitler's Lake - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/21/60II/main251320.shtml)
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: feeftynorth on April 28, 2009, 08:54:24 PM
So, here's my take on the story, I doubt if Captain Jack knew exactly what was on board, they chose him for the mission because he had lots of hours in the B25, and combat hours at that, if the crew knew what was on board, it would have been easy for a bomber pilot to drop the load in a precise location, after having done that all during the war, bail out and crash the plane somewhere, and retrieve the loot later. that doesn't appear to be the case, as bodies were recovered from the crash site.

 By the way, I am a Pilot, first solo was 1972, but I have given it up now ( old gent forgets things)

  For arguments sake, let's say Captain Jack recognizes the ice formation on the wings, ( not the flaps as the video says) you don't use flaps in normal flight, he has crossed the dreaded high points of the rockies, and now has been vectored to Sea island by ATC ( air traffic control) Vancouver, all should be easy now, but the Altimeter is dropping, and Capt. Jack increases to full power with no increase in Altitude. If I was first officer, and was told perhaps that the metal in the crates was "Machine parts" (
they  would have been wrapped and concealed so no one would get a visual that it was Gold.)  So, I am now losing 500 feet per minute, in confirmed freezing rain, got full power from both fans, my next decision to protect my crew and the Aircraft would be to open the bomb bay doors and ditch half of the" machine parts," the B25 full load was about 3,500 pounds, so perhaps 1,750
pounds of "Machine parts" were jettisoned between the Coquihalla Summitt and the crash site.  By the way the B-25 was one of the first aircraft to use De- icing on the wings, by diverting hot exhaust from the engines to the leading edges of the wings.  Captain Jack would have certainly used this feature, however the trailing edge of the wings, where pressure is lower, and temps cooler may have had significant ice buildup and loss of lift from wing deformation from the Ice.
  I am going to dust off my old aeronautical Charts this week, ( still have them) draw up a flight plan, from Sask to Vancouver, utilizing the lowest passes in the Rockies, give them a 2,000 foot comfort cushion, and then calculate speed over ground, at cruise, then calculate just when Capt. Jack would have started jettisoning the cargo and start searching.  By the way you can triangulate the exact crash location from the two mountain peaks in the background of the pic of the crash site.
  Happy hunting!
  Feefty
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: GPEX admin on April 29, 2009, 12:44:31 PM
Interesting topic regarding an old tale.

As with all treasure tales, only a limited number prove out to be real, while the majority are mere fabrications of mind, or, all kinds of picture-dressing is added to an event to generate excitement each time the story is re-told.  The proverbial snowball effect. Heck, even some individuals attempt to make a living at writing books about treasure tales, whether they’re true or not. Fundamentally speaking, if such writer felt he/she strongly knew of details that would lead to the ultimate quest, it would seem logical they’d not share such crucial data with the world. Nor would the average person sound out his/her new found wealth.

Personally, I look for at least some segment of “fact,” and failing to find sufficient to lure me onward, I then conclude a story is just that, another story. I must admit, however, I have not personally researched this tale to any significant depth, primarily for that reason. Most treasure hunters are “hopefuls” by nature, and through that energy it is then very easy to place full focus on the cosmetic side, rather than challenge the authenticity by weeding out those parts that fall under clear supposition. Being as most who are now reading this fall under the Hopeful category, I shall then stand on the opposite side of the fence to offer a challenge toward separating fact from fiction.

Certain facts about this tale are widely known (1) a military-type plane did indeed crash on a mountain top; and (2) people perished. As noted, I have not dug this one deep at all, so there may be more there which are indeed solid facts. I just haven’t heard of them. The questions which comes to mind, are, how much of the story is window dressing? Why is there not factual detail supporting this event? Judging by the content of earlier versions of this story, it is clearly obvious the tale has grown significantly through the passing of time.

Let us now try at disqualifying things, and why not start with the aspect that the crashed plane was supposed to be carrying a disguised gold shipment. If this were true, there should be some record of it somewhere in archives, yet it is my understanding there was no documentation that would support such a gold shipment. Even back in the war years, I cannot fathom why the government would ship confiscated gold out here to the west coast, rather than taking it directly to the Mint in Ottawa. Where this version came from would be interesting to know, as would the dramatized reference that it was Nazi gold. To my knowledge, there’s not one shred of evidence to support either. For the individual with the burning desire to get to the bottom of all this - - why such plane was flying over said mountain and what the cargo load might have been, all this information is now available from our good old government through the Freedom of Information Act.

Over such a few years the tale has now adapted a situation where the crew onboard feared a forthcoming crash and tried to lighten the load to keep the ship airborne, by the dumping of “machine parts” (aka gold). Now, how do we know that, for there were no survivors? Thus far, unless coming from an eye witness (survivor), I find it hard to consider that to be fact. Anything that may have happened onboard that aircraft, or whatever was contained therein, other than our knowledge of it’s actual crash and the debris left behind, must logically fall under a gray filter

It would be nice to learn that all details as told, were real, and that there was indeed a treasure of gold bullion somewhere out there. Yet, I somehow doubt it. However, in always remaining open, and I stand to be corrected, if there was a dumping of “machine parts” (aka gold), painstaking  study of existing geo aerial survey mapping ought to then identify such declination anomalies in the hillsides.

It would be interesting to hear of any details that could be determined as facts.

Not that I am discouraging others’ efforts toward exploring the tale, but for me, there just seems to be too much that doesn’t overly add up. And definitely not enough to send me off buying up all the books this tale is listed in. As previously said, if such writer knew actual facts, he/she’d not be writing about it at all.

Good luck to those who pursue it.
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: GPEX admin on May 02, 2009, 01:00:36 PM
Just a followup here.... thought someone would come back with some statistical facts about the bomber.  Does anyone have any data or document copies that appears like the gold tale did indeed exist?  And has anyone researched to see where this story actually came from in the first place... beyond the (Nazi related) reference quoted ?  I am familiar with the source of that one, at the time (3 years or more ago now) it was the object of a compilation of not-really-heard-of treasure tales, destined for a book the individual hoped to promote.

In the old days there was probably as many gold tales as there were miners. One suchlost gold deposit tale, was just over the border State-side. I did a terrible amount of research on it, and figured I'd hit the target location.  Then, about two months later, I read a newspaper article where two guys had found the lost gold deposit, and sure enough, I was bang on.  Just a few months too late. Oh well, win some, loose some.  ^#!
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: rockpup on May 03, 2009, 05:21:15 AM
Cool.I am searching a treausre lead also.I plan on heading to the galt museum today to look up a few things from there archieves.Anyone can access the galt museum archieves in lethbridge a great amount of information is stored there.Alot of stuff on the lost lemon mine I bet.I have read old newspare reports of men taking old ore samples for the elk river area of southern alberta.There was a small gold rush in the 1930's and the rcmp rounded up a bunch of lost men,cant remember the exact article but a party of these men had found gold somewhere in the elk valley?
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: feeftynorth on June 09, 2009, 12:51:04 PM
Here's another story, same general geographic location;

Lost Gold Mine

The legend of the Lost Creek Mine began in the late 1800’s and is a colorful part of the history of Pitt River and the people who lived near there at that time. The story of the mine tells of a mysterious gold mine allegedly located in the Pitt Range, 35 km northeast of Vancouver. It’s said that in the late 1880’s, a native Canadian from the Silver Creek Reserve named Slumach showed up in New Westminster with a sack of gold nuggets.

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He would allegedly drink most of it and during his many visits to the town people would try to get him to spill the beans about where he got his gold. Once in a while people would try and follow him but they never got very far as Slumach was known to be very adept at hiding his trail in the bush surrounding Pitt Lake.

He also is said to have taken local women when he returned to the woods, and they were never seen again. In 1890 Slumach shot and killed a metis man, Louis Boulier, also known as Louis Bee, at Lillooet Slough near the Pitt River. Newspaper accounts of the day report of Slumach’s subsequent escape into the bush and the search to bring him to justice. Eventually he showed up, half starved and in bad shape and he was tried, found guilty and hanged in 1891 in New Westminster, never having had the chance to reveal the source of his gold.

(http://gpex.ca/smf/Smileys/default/updated.gif)   Please click the following link....
The Rest of the Slumach's story on Pitt River Lodge's website (http://www.pittriverlodge.com/gold.html)


copyright, Pitt River Lodge


Feefty
Title: Re: Lost & Forgotten About Treasures, Gold Mines & Etc.
Post by: gnome on July 27, 2009, 03:15:44 PM
phouse,     I.m sorry I didn,t respond to your post but have been away from a computer for awhile .I have done some work on the tulameen and  found a 36 gram platuimun nug. and a 19 gram gold nug right near where lawless enters tulameen river and there is lots more if ya know where to look. However the information I'm more interested in are any legends regarding lost treasure from around that area. thanks for your response I do appricate it.
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Post by: Ora on June 20, 2010, 06:28:04 PM
Gnome, in addition to Barlees books, he also published a magazine "Canada West" for a period of time during the 70's. They are very similar in nature to his books, but contain a few stories that never went into the books, and vice versa. They are quite difficult to come by but i would guess that if you were to go to the penticton museum/library they may be able to help you out. I am also quite familiar with the area, is there a specific story you are refering to?