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Title: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 10, 2019, 09:17:59 PM
Hello guys
I would like ask you i want to get a high banker and a Gold Panning Machine the high banker has a pump and all its a kit
the panning machine is desert fox . plus my had pans and buckets is there anything else i need ? i think that should be it besides the small tools like pick shovel my metal detector. is there something I'm missing trip is in the Yukon in May   ::)
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: Hardpan82 on January 10, 2019, 10:40:30 PM
Extra shovels, pick, prybars, come alongs, axe, first aid kit, firearm. Might be good to do a couple weekend get away trips with all your things packed and see what you might need before heading all the way up to the Yukon. Most of important thing of all is do your research. You may end up travelling a long way and spend a lot of money to go try to dig through a bunch of overburden only to find out pay is deeper then you can dig by hand. Not trying to discourage you but if you are just starting out and are planning on handmining you might want to look into other areas that may be better suited for what you are hoping to do.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 11, 2019, 05:20:14 AM
Ill be panning in the creek first sulfur creek  I was thinking on fedex all my stuff to a locker in Dawson
I'm going to fly down then buy a use 4x4 pickup the road access is good right to claim 34 km from claim to dawson yea so if need be ill rent room 1 a week to shower and all i got my rifle
and when coming back ill store it all in locker till i return.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: Hardpan82 on January 11, 2019, 08:43:51 AM
With a couple minutes of research I found this about Sulphur creek.  Screenshot_20190111-083307.jpg. The reports say .9m to 18m of overburden. From the diagram looks like you are gonna be digging around 20 feet of overburden. Not gonna happen by hand. You will most likely get discouraged before you find pay. Remember you dig a shaft or a pit and hit a big rock your hole is done. You wont get it out by hand. I'm only giving you this information as I would hate to see spend all this money and time to have a bad experience. Why not look into mining the Fraser river in B.C? For someone just starting out it really doesn't get any better. Pay starts on the surface and you can, in spots, make a small paying wage from day one without digging through a bunch of overburden.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 11, 2019, 03:04:30 PM
Hello thanks for the info
The claim has been studied and the creek has panning gold in it. I paid for the claim so I have to see for myself also if the ground has gold I wanted to use a excavator. I may even pay someone to dig  a trench and see whats there.
If the ground is good then I can just mine the hell out of it and after that well will see then. I always make stupid mistake and learn on the way some times it cost me lots of money but live and learn I guess.
I just want to have my own thing going not looking to make millions just  have an experience is all never know it mite be a good claim. The owner of the claim dug down 6 to 8 feet and exposed the bed rock I dont know if this is true or not but this guy is well none there and I dont think he wants to scrap his name for a shity piece of ground.
Maybe you heard of him his name is bill or yukon bill
Also if anyone want to come see i'm open to that the neighbors  are also from Quebec they will be mining up there as well they sold everything to do this I will still have a house and stuff when i come back so its just a trip for now I can always sell the claim to them or others that want to buy.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: ykplacer on January 11, 2019, 03:55:30 PM
Hello thanks for the info
The claim has been studied and the creek has panning gold in it. I paid for the claim so I have to see for myself also if the ground has gold I wanted to use a excavator. I may even pay someone to dig  a trench and see whats there.
If the ground is good then I can just mine the hell out of it and after that well will see then. I always make stupid mistake and learn on the way some times it cost me lots of money but live and learn I guess.
I just want to have my own thing going not looking to make millions just  have an experience is all never know it mite be a good claim. The owner of the claim dug down 6 to 8 feet and exposed the bed rock I dont know if this is true or not but this guy is well none there and I dont think he wants to scrap his name for a shity piece of ground.
Maybe you heard of him his name is bill or yukon bill
Also if anyone want to come see i'm open to that the neighbors  are also from Quebec they will be mining up there as well they sold everything to do this I will still have a house and stuff when i come back so its just a trip for now I can always sell the claim to them or others that want to buy.

You bought this claim right ?...Any other members here at GPEX after
reading the sellers ad  have any comments?


 
Ad from Kijiji

GOLD CLAIM 4 SALE DAWSON CITY YUKON, GET A SUPER CHRISTMAS DEAL!

GOLD CLAIM FOR SALE.... SULPHUR CREEK, 34 KM OUT OF DAWSON CITY GOOD RD ACCESS RIGHT TO CLAIM. GOOD GOLD TESTS, CHEAPEST GOLD CLAIM U WILL EVER BUY. SELLING FOR SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS, OWN A HOLIDAY PROPERTY FOR LIFE. BEST HUNTING & FISHING IN CANADA! OWN IT FOR LIFE GUARANTEED GOLD.... NO PROPERTY TAXES EVER, U BUY IT U OWN IT! THE CLAIMS BESIDE IT HAVE SOLD FOR $5000 EACH MINIMUM. DON'T MISS THE LAST ONE FOR SALE. YOU CAN USE ALL THE FIRE-WOOD OR LOGS TO BUILD A CABIN OR WHATEVER YOUR HEART DESIRES. WHO KNOWS MAYBE YOU'LL STRIKE IT RICH :).... SACRIFICE ONCE IN A LIFETIME PRICE *ONLY* $2,000 PHONE BILL AT 587-594-9226 E-MAIL: [email protected] SO DONT WAIT U WILL BE TOO LATE!
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 11, 2019, 04:12:15 PM
yep thats the guy is e honest who knows is it good i dont know what to expect ?
lets see if anyone else answers that post i feel embarrassed  now  <-unsure_>
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: garth64 on January 11, 2019, 04:32:05 PM
When I may are you going, you don't want to get there too early unless you can afford it.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 11, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
I wanted to go there in mid may like victoria day falls on a monday leave first week of august 1
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: Hardpan82 on January 11, 2019, 04:41:59 PM
You might have just learned your first real lesson in mining.  Only cost you $2000 to learn it. Never ever buy a claim without going to the claim in person and testing it yourself. Never buy a claim in winter. And never believe a word anyone says that is trying to sell you a claim. ...oh yeah and never buy a claim when the ad starts with Super Christmas Deal.

yep thats the guy is e honest who knows is it good i dont know what to expect ?
lets see if anyone else answers that post i feel embarrassed  now  <-unsure_>
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: White Dog on January 11, 2019, 04:45:29 PM
Rule number one in placer mining...…...Be very suspicious of anything someone tells you
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 11, 2019, 04:51:41 PM
Maybe I did didnt pay 2000 though only gave 600 to hold it neighbors paid 5000  my balance is due when I get there
claim has been change transferred to me though  But hey if its a lost and the guy is a thief and will lie about his own son dying from cancer well then hell is a very hot place to be, especially if your holding on melted gold for the rest of time burns
lol
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: Hardpan82 on January 11, 2019, 05:15:13 PM
I hope it works out for you. Who knows maybe you will really like the claim and it will suit you just fine for what you are looking for.  In consideration 2k is a low price and you usually get what you pay for,  that being said there's lots of claims posted on kijiji right now from 5k - 10k that I wouldnt pay staking costs for. ( Seller from Ontario).  Buyer beware. Hope it works out for you.


Maybe I did didnt pay 2000 though only gave 600 to hold it neighbors paid 5000  my balance is due when I get there
claim has been change transferred to me though  But hey if its a lost and the guy is a thief and will lie about his own son dying from cancer well then hell is a very hot place to be, especially if your holding on melted gold for the rest of time burns
lol
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: jobinyt on January 11, 2019, 05:55:48 PM
I have no knowledge of your claim or the claim seller, but you may have unanticipated issues: i do know a bit about YT.

1) it is likely you can't ever legally build a cabin on the claim - a tent would be ok.

2) It is likely you don't have a water permit without which you can't do much more than drink the water as it runs by.

3) You want to run that highbanker you'll need to build an APPROVED/INSPECTED settling pond to discharge into .

4) All the necessary paperwork and inspections and such ... they're not usually one trip to town and done activities.

5) Take a lot of money, things cost more in YT than in the Ontario.

6) Weather and stream conditions vary year-to-year;  possibly not friendly to your May schedule.

7) Only 8' to bedrock. that's a lot of overburden to move by hand, or you're going to get some local fellow, during his short work season to dig a trench for you... and then you're going to move the paydirt more than 8' up to the highbanker. And most of the placer miners I've seen  don't just get down to bed rock - they tear out the top foot and more, and I suspect your hand tools and highbanker will be bit strained to run that material.

8) You should read the hunting laws, and a lot about bears, before you go. You might decide your rifle has less utility than you now expect.

Lastly, it's an amusing bit of doggerel,  but if you think a Yukoner is afraid of the fires in hell, you might read The Cremation of Sam McGee by Robert Service.

You can find all the regs - lots of them - and a hundred other sources of good info: the surficial geologist, the Bostoc library, Mine recorders office, etc on the yukon government web site - there's a miner's association too with information.

Good luck.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: garth64 on January 11, 2019, 06:53:37 PM
Yukon river  broke up may 08  last year your time line might be ok.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: mcbain on January 11, 2019, 07:11:28 PM
Hi.It is called Buyer beware.Know what you are getting before you get it.There is a carpet bagger under every rock espeacially on the net.You will never get threw 8 feet of perma frost in may.Just saying.On the other hand you may do o.k. in the creek if you are allowed to.Expect to pay 10x over for any thing in the Yukon.I have been there several times.If I was going back I would have a semi trailer loaded to the nines.Good luck on your venture,Mcbain.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: JOE S (INDY) on January 12, 2019, 12:02:08 AM
'65,

There seems to be a boatload of well intentioned, experienced and helpful advice here. 

My simple little comment is to not let the light blind you here in this endeavor.  Well controlled enthusiasm is a seriously sought out trait that we all strive for, but, on the other hand, untempered racing toward a partially seen goal is usually followed by serious (you might say devastating)  disappointment.

Others here have also seen, over the years, many folks running straight towards something but not looking where their feet were taking them.

Best of luck.

Joe
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: suburbanator on January 12, 2019, 06:19:28 PM

Lastly, it's an amusing bit of doggerel,  but if you think a Yukoner is afraid of the fires in hell, you might read The Cremation of Sam McGee by Robert Service.

Good luck.

Now that brings back some memories,  had to memorize and recite that in Grade 7 way back...
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: mcbain on January 12, 2019, 06:24:15 PM
Hi.Sub.I keep a copy on my desk.It is a great read and always reminds me of where I do not want to be ;DLuck Mcbain.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: PhilipGold on January 13, 2019, 07:35:09 AM
How to make 100 000$ with 10 000$

Oh no wait I meant How to loose 100 000$ to make 1000$
You have almost no knowledge of mining, you are heading to sulphur creek, which has either frozen muck, has been dredged, hydraulicked, push box sluiced cat skinned  in the 50s, scrapped in the 80s, I sluiced actually next to friday gulch, sulphur in 2013. You are heading to go hungry, I've seen so many wanna get rich bought a claim online coming with a tiny excavator and a high banker.

If you want to learn go overthere with a camping trailer and work for someone, otherwise you are heading for starvation.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: PhilipGold on January 13, 2019, 07:42:08 AM
Here 1 million bucks worth of equipment on Sulphur creek you need to break even
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Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: villageidiot on January 13, 2019, 07:27:48 PM
Yep u got scammed ......we have seen this particular  one several times last summer....I'm not sure the actual owner of the building in his pics has sold anything.

The last two people I talked with had fallen for this........and ran into problems when the actual claim owners showed up.

Enjoy your Vacation and consider it an introductory  lesson
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: mcbain on January 13, 2019, 07:42:06 PM
Hi.Guys with all the above info.Folks will still fall for it.There is still unexplored ground out there.But you have too get of your Butt and go prospecting.A comfy couch and a computer will get you broke real fast.Buy Joe blows failure of the net.Go broke faster.Just saying.Luck Mcbain.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: garth64 on January 14, 2019, 08:43:05 AM
Who knows it might be just what your looking for minis the easy gold right on the surface. But I could be worth something more than 2grand for a neighbor wanting some more room. Go there and enjoy yourself and keep your expectations low.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: garth64 on January 14, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
Take your gear and puffinstuff and yer brewskies up to the Yukon like you planed and let us know how you made out ok  . you own the claim it is what it is , I wish I were going with you.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: mcbain on January 14, 2019, 06:26:40 PM
Hi.I do not know about the Yukon.But you mentioned a lease.You can not stake a lease in B.C. until you get past the 10 year mark and want to keep going with the claim.If it is good you can apply for a lease.I read that a while back .Do not quote me on that.Luck Mcbain.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 14, 2019, 08:00:43 PM
Thanks guys for the info. this is what happens to people that dont understand the hobby but would like to learn.
its my lost and well i'm not going to give up because of it i'm not going to go hide because I made a honest mistake by trying to buy a claim from a jack ass who says his kid is dying says lots about them or him . Remember I'm not looking to make millions i'm looking to have fun and adventure that doesn't come often. and I dont want to go to a place were theres loads of people panning because there on a family trip my trip is different seeThis clown William Harvey his time is coming thats all I can say. Meanwhile lets close this thread maybe the OP can put out a thread about these kind of scams for newbies but to bash people and stuff like that is not necessary IT's a lesson learnt and oh yea I do believe in karma may not be his time today but yea KARMA is good.
Now I have to go and make another thread or should I ask. I will ask because if you dont ask you will never know or learn. this is what this forum is for ?? or is it only for those who know better but never did anything ??? but sit on a computer and pretend to be a minor prospector but play one in real life. ??? <-unsure_>
So I would like to know about screen size what size screen you guys use to classify your ground. I have  small rock some large rocks lots of mud and sand thats my question what size. yep does have something to do with TOOLS I NEED :D see I can go to youtube but then what about the pros on this site rather read it from them then to go see ano other character on youtube pretending to be a gold prospector miner but plays one in real life <-good_>
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: ykplacer on January 14, 2019, 08:48:16 PM
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Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 14, 2019, 08:53:15 PM
yes sir I'am   didnt  want to buy the other pan set shipping and all that is to high. i got my pan with a 2 day shipping from amazon and still got it 10 day later lol came down to the same thing. Now i want to get a set of screen for the material on my land . so this 3   1/2 1/4 and 1/8. should be good  and as for the claim its lesson learnt.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 14, 2019, 09:16:43 PM
wow only 2 with credit the rest nothing well those other people hope it works out for them not cool at all anyways lets go to next page
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 14, 2019, 09:30:34 PM
ykplacer yep its right there  I thank you man I see the efforts from you appreciated man  you showed me point blank 2 with credit 2020 the rest no credit 2019 yea so other with no credits finishing 2019 with all the permits and water permits and permits for adding  in a road and inspection no way you will have this done before expiry date. I dont even think you can start to dig without the inspection you need that first and that can take 6 month oh well its a 600 $ lost 
I mean why pay the balance thats the scam. yea
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: ykplacer on January 14, 2019, 10:19:46 PM
Puff...If you learn how to stake your own claims in the Yukon..it isn't $2000 a claim anymore....http://www.yukonminingrecorder.ca/pdf/placer_staking_guide_oct2016.pdf

To record a mineral claim:
•    Complete and submit a placer mining grant 
    application form to the relevant mining   
    recorder’s office.

•    Submit the fee of $10.00 per claim to the 
    relevant mining recorder’s office.




As far as work "credits" ,  i would not get too worried about that at all...because

During this one year period, the claim holder
is required to do $200.00 worth of representation
work on the claim
. Representation work can also
be referred to as assessment work
. Representation
work must be completed by the anniversary
date of the claim. For example, if the claim was
recorded on June 1, 2015 the anniversary date will
be June 1, 2016.



So for example if you  headed to your claim with a SHOVEL...as long as you dig down  2 feet  deep ..you get $20 to $40 dollar "work credit" for every yard  of material you shovel....or if you dug a shaft down into the ground ...3ft x3 ft at the surface and down 6 feet deep..they will give ya a work credit for $200 dollars...so it is that easy...


If you follow thru buying your claim from Bill, you will need to file for a class 1 notification before ya start working on the claim ...That is easy to do BUT it takes 25+ days for the approval....so do it before you go ...
http://www.emr.gov.yk.ca/mining/class_1_notification.html


As far as "water use"  ..YOU CAN USE  up to 300  m3  a day. WITHOUT   a permit that is possible.....but you gotta file paper work , that takes a 10 day wait ...So again , do that before you show up....IF you ever wanted to go REAL BIG(big loaders excavators dozers  big wash plant etc)  , yeah then  you gotta get a water license then ,that 's a long wait , and if you pay someone to file the paper work for you etc...cost ya $4-$5 thousand dollars...




Can I use water or deposit a waste without a licence?

A person may use water or deposit waste without a licence if the proposed use or deposit of waste:

    has no potential for significant adverse environmental effects;
    would not interfere with existing rights of other water users or waste depositors;

    uses less than 300 m3/day for Placer and Quartz mining and less than 100 m3/day for Industrial work; and
    satisfies the criteria set out outlined in Section 4 of the Waters Regulation.
Anyone who wants to use water or deposit waste without a licence must fill out a Schedule 3 form and provide a map, at least ten days before starting work.

http://www.yukonwaterboard.ca/do_I.htm
 




Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: garth64 on January 15, 2019, 07:48:55 PM
thanks Yukon placer for your responses , lots of food for thought and good info on your part.
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: puffnstuff65 on January 15, 2019, 09:45:17 PM
yep found out about it yesterday I should of went that way  ykplacer .
Title: Re: tools i need
Post by: GollyMrScience on January 17, 2019, 03:26:30 PM
The Yukon is a place you grow into. It can take years to get comfortable and confident that you have a handle on the rules and the ground and the people. Same for pretty well every gold camp but because it is not close to home the distance adds to the cost and time it can take. As others have suggested claim or no claim if the Yukon is on your to do list by all means get up there and enjoy it. It is an amazing place.
Before I would pay that sort of money for a claim that needs work credit I would consider making an offer to carry out prospecting work on the claim to both satisfy the work requirement and your due diligence. If you decide to walk away the owner gets to use your work to cover credit and if you decide to hold onto it then your work goes to the credit on the claim and you pay the fee the owner wants. That way you can both benefit without feeling like you could be buying a pig in a poke. If the owner is unwilling to swing something  to give you a chance to check things out then there is no advantage to you in that deal. You need transparency and candid engagement from a claim holder or you are risking too much.
This claim or another you buy or stake doesn't have to be THE claim, in truth few claims ever work out to be THE claim - more a place to plant your flag in the Yukon, pitch a tent and start growing into it. If nothing else it is a life adventure few people can say they have had and that in itself is pretty special.