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Title: Lack of interest ?
Post by: XT18000 on September 06, 2015, 05:18:43 AM

  Have you noticed and wondered why someone will post a subject and it may receive
  thousands of view's ( some in the order of 6000, 9000, 11000), and so on, but only
  x, or xx, or xxx replies ? To my way of thinking this shows there is a lot of members
  on this forum that are really not interested in subjects that could increase not only
  there knowledge but there wealth also. True there are some posts that miss there
  intended mark due to poor wording or lack of knowledge of the person posting it but
  even in these cases they should receive at least some comments when xxxxx number
  of members take  the time to read it. I am not referring to any posts of mine I'm
  referring to anyone's. Take the time to look at the posted subjects and you'll see what
  I'm talking about. Look at the post about the "Gold Cube",. Is there really that much
  to understand how it works, something that has no moving parts ( no offence to the
  product or to you Doc ) just an observation and comparison . The purpose of a forum
  is to draw like minded persons together to share there collective knowledge on subjects
  that fall into the realm of subjects that the forum was founded for " no one is as smart
  as all of us " or " there are no stupid questions, only one that has not be asked " should
  be kept in mind when reading any post. We learn much by asking questions and having
  discussions, if we want to learn, ( keep it in the realm of the forum ).
  There are way to many that will not take time to look on the correct board to find an
  answer to a question they have, so they just post anywhere, where if they would only
  take the time to go to the right board the answer may well be there without there posting
  to ask it. There are many subjects found on this forum, most deal with gold, but there are
  a lot of other subjects that should also be of interest to anyone interested in the subjects
  covered on it. If you are interested enough to read someone's post, it speaks to the fact
  that you have (1) at least SOME interest in the subject or how much the person posting it
  has or (2) You have no interest in what that person knows  or thinks they know, or your
  just wasting your time and in that case why are you a member of the forum to start with.
  Look at the dates of different posts that are showing on the main page, most of them have
  not received  comment in a long time, yes we all have to make use of our time, and
  good weather so there are times when posting and reply's have to take a back seat but
  not for ever!
  Comments or questions are welcome   
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: Top Cat on September 06, 2015, 06:33:04 AM
I have taken the time to read your post, but sometimes it easier to re-post a topic than read through thousands of posts to find the answer, if you can locate what you are looking for.

I agree posting under the appropriate heading will help and if that topic peaks your interest you might take a peek

I know not all areas are of interest to me. I only look at topics that I might want to contribute to.

My 2 cents !!
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: ryanonthevedder on September 06, 2015, 08:32:08 AM
The vast majority of the knowledge base of the entire forum is archival. There are still important topics started all the time, but folks get tired of rehashing old topics. I might not give the same zeal in a answer that I have given once or twice before. If you were to search my old post I could have put my heart into it along with many others. That also leads me to another point; accessing members that are gone. If one searches a topic he will get a more diverse set of opinions than what might be found today.

Why dont we reply? When I first started there was a lot of reading. Chasing that armchair lead consumed me for many evenings. Like a hound on a trail I sniffed through hundreds of topics, and posting a well thought out comment was out of the question <-laugh->.
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: tamarackman on September 06, 2015, 09:13:02 AM
It seems to me that members come and go as they lose interest in the forum or prospecting. I think alot of people have grand visions of finding big nuggets. After a season or two of bushwhacking in seasonal weather, washing gravel with a sore back, while working around boulders as deer flies eat neckflesh, they have 50 $ worth of flour flood gold. As helpful as this forum is it will not put the X on the map, so unless these people love the great outdoors as much as they love the idea of gold they will quit. At any point there is 86 guests on here and 9 members. Now is that really guests interested in prospecting or is it members who have nothing to say and are hoping to read something of interest? Or is it gold loving bushwhackers looking for members to put down there X on the map? Good topic and good points, hope more members come out of the woodwork this armchair prospecting season, the snow itsa coming!
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: XT18000 on September 06, 2015, 12:28:21 PM

  Thank you for your reply Hi-Lo Silver, I am not trying to sound like a smart ass but you said your experience or knowledge of a posted topic doesn't warrant a reply . If lack of knowledge or experience of a subject is not a
  reason to ask a question about it how can it be of  enough interest to read someone's post about it. We learn by asking questions we get experience by doing. The object of a post ( or at least it should be ) is to encourage
  a reply from those who read it, that's what this whole subject is about! A reply can be as simple as a  person want's it to be or can ask a question (s) that's really all there is to it. We are all here because we all ( at least we
  should have " ) have a common interest in the topic's listed in the forum.  The topic's cover a very wide range for a reason, " the diffusion of knowledge by posting and replying by it's members ". If this process is ignored
  then we all might just as well gust read a few books about how to prospect, or how to make a  what ever, etc., etc. , you won't get much of a discussion out of it, same as a post with a view but no reply! Then there's the
  old " I don't know enough about the subject to contribute to the post " , well how long will it take to learn about something so you can contribute to it sitting on the side lines, you know over a period of time, all these post's
  get buried by new one's and for the most part stay buried, and so will the information in them. As I said at the start of this post, I'm not trying to be a smart ass nor am I meaning to put you down and hang you out to dry,
  I am trying to generate member interest in what is taking place on this forum, it's slowly but surly sliding into a deep hole dug by indifference . I have always maintained that television was the greatest teaching aid man had
  ever invented, only to see it go to waste for stupid crap they call entertainment. We all need to do more to get some interest up, this can only be done by posting, questioning, and commenting.

  Top Cat; I thank you also, I agree a person that is not interested in certain subjects will most likely not comment on them, and I'm no different but knowledge has a way of wanting to expand it's self, the more it knows the
                more it wants to know, and the more it wants to know the more it will know. I have set myself a somewhat lofty goal to reach before I die, I want to die smarter than a rock! Sounds simple enough but think about it.

 ryanonthevedder: Your reply is most welcome also, yes sadly there is no way to keep everything fresh to the point it's not rehashed, but I think if more people would contribute subjects and try to keep discussions on posted
                            subjects  going we would all get more out of it. The world of prospecting, gold mining, geology, chemical prospecting, mining regulations, etc. have not came to an end, they need a kick start. Want to start it?


  Tamarackman; thank you also for bring up a subject that has been left for the most part un-said but implied more so, I'm sorry there is no quick and easy answer to those problems. In part we are our own worst enemy, we
                         can't keep quite about what we find, As to the one's that come and go, I don't see that as a problem, don't slow'em down as they head out. As to the quests; that is something that the boss man will have to stop
                         if a mind to ( blocking certain things unless as a member is a start ).

                         Again I thank all of you for your input, now what about the rest of you ?
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: Finn from Ecuador on September 06, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
I thought that adding something to an old topic, which brings it up to the first page, would not be appropriate behavior.  I have seen also every now and then people begin their posts with: "I know that this is an old topic but.."  So maybe i'am not the only one who thought so.

Now, after rethinking, by bringing up an old topic, one shows that one has put at least some effort of searching information before starting a new topic.

Good post XT18000, i liked it and will try to put it in practice too.

Salud

Finn

Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: GPEX admin on September 06, 2015, 02:27:42 PM
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I'll bet 3/4's of the views are spam sites or search engines.


Not so, Hi Lo !  No hit-engines, or spam involved here.  As often as not, there are many members who are not signed in, but actively read the posts.  Plus, the counter logs hits from all those people out there in cyber-land across the globe who click on a topic to read such.  The stats show that we generally have between the high 800,000s to 1.5 million page views per month.  Staggering !!
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: tamarackman on September 07, 2015, 09:36:17 PM
I thought that adding something to an old topic, which brings it up to the first page, would not be appropriate behavior.  I have seen also every now and then people begin their posts with: "I know that this is an old topic but.."  So maybe i'am not the only one who thought so.

Now, after rethinking, by bringing up an old topic, one shows that one has put at least some effort of searching information before starting a new topic.

Good post XT18000, i liked it and will try to put it in practice too.

Salud

Finn

Good point Finn. I would say in a way its a sign of respect to carry on the topic, to keep the flame burning. Which comes back to what XT18000 is talking about, and how easy it is to just sit back and read, when in order to keep things interesting we need to write as well.  A wise man once said  "All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"   

Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: gold one on September 11, 2015, 02:39:38 AM
It seems to me that members come and go as they lose interest in the forum or prospecting. I think alot of people have grand visions of finding big nuggets. After a season or two of bushwhacking in seasonal weather, washing gravel with a sore back, while working around boulders as deer flies eat neckflesh, they have 50 $ worth of flour flood gold. As helpful as this forum is it will not put the X on the map, so unless these people love the great outdoors as much as they love the idea of gold they will quit. At any point there is 86 guests on here and 9 members. Now is that really guests interested in prospecting or is it members who have nothing to say and are hoping to read something of interest? Or is it gold loving bushwhackers looking for members to put down there X on the map? Good topic and good points, hope more members come out of the woodwork this armchair prospecting season, the snow itsa coming!

I agree, most people will lose interest in this hobby...they realized the gold was mostly mined over a hundred years ago.

But...the shows on tv will generate new interest. 
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: tamarackman on September 11, 2015, 08:55:59 AM
Yes Gold one they will, just like the propaganda newspaper reporters of ol times. Thats how the west was developed. In my area they had new towns pop up all over the place. Crazy townsite locations that never had a chance would pop up due to some pocket strike, tell people the railway is coming, sell a bunch of lots and gear and off to the new one.
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: mcbain on September 11, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
I thought that adding something to an old topic, which brings it up to the first page, would not be appropriate behavior.  I have seen also every now and then people begin their posts with: "I know that this is an old topic but.."  So maybe i'am not the only one who thought so.

Now, after rethinking, by bringing up an old topic, one shows that one has put at least some effort of searching information before starting a new topic.

Good post XT18000, i liked it and will try to put it in practice too.

Salud

Finn

Good point Finn. I would say in a way its a sign of respect to carry on the topic, to keep the flame burning. Which comes back to what XT18000 is talking about, and how easy it is to just sit back and read, when in order to keep things interesting we need to write as well.  A wise man once said  "All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"   

I could not agree more.Luck Mcbain.
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: mcbain on September 11, 2015, 06:40:03 PM

  Thank you for your reply Hi-Lo Silver, I am not trying to sound like a smart ass but you said your experience or knowledge of a posted topic doesn't warrant a reply . If lack of knowledge or experience of a subject is not a
  reason to ask a question about it how can it be of  enough interest to read someone's post about it. We learn by asking questions we get experience by doing. The object of a post ( or at least it should be ) is to encourage
  a reply from those who read it, that's what this whole subject is about! A reply can be as simple as a  person want's it to be or can ask a question (s) that's really all there is to it. We are all here because we all ( at least we
  should have " ) have a common interest in the topic's listed in the forum.  The topic's cover a very wide range for a reason, " the diffusion of knowledge by posting and replying by it's members ". If this process is ignored
  then we all might just as well gust read a few books about how to prospect, or how to make a  what ever, etc., etc. , you won't get much of a discussion out of it, same as a post with a view but no reply! Then there's the
  old " I don't know enough about the subject to contribute to the post " , well how long will it take to learn about something so you can contribute to it sitting on the side lines, you know over a period of time, all these post's
  get buried by new one's and for the most part stay buried, and so will the information in them. As I said at the start of this post, I'm not trying to be a smart ass nor am I meaning to put you down and hang you out to dry,
  I am trying to generate member interest in what is taking place on this forum, it's slowly but surly sliding into a deep hole dug by indifference . I have always maintained that television was the greatest teaching aid man had
  ever invented, only to see it go to waste for stupid crap they call entertainment. We all need to do more to get some interest up, this can only be done by posting, questioning, and commenting.

  Top Cat; I thank you also, I agree a person that is not interested in certain subjects will most likely not comment on them, and I'm no different but knowledge has a way of wanting to expand it's self, the more it knows the
                more it wants to know, and the more it wants to know the more it will know. I have set myself a somewhat lofty goal to reach before I die, I want to die smarter than a rock! Sounds simple enough but think about it.

 ryanonthevedder: Your reply is most welcome also, yes sadly there is no way to keep everything fresh to the point it's not rehashed, but I think if more people would contribute subjects and try to keep discussions on posted
                            subjects  going we would all get more out of it. The world of prospecting, gold mining, geology, chemical prospecting, mining regulations, etc. have not came to an end, they need a kick start. Want to start it?


  Tamarackman; thank you also for bring up a subject that has been left for the most part un-said but implied more so, I'm sorry there is no quick and easy answer to those problems. In part we are our own worst enemy, we
                         can't keep quite about what we find, As to the one's that come and go, I don't see that as a problem, don't slow'em down as they head out. As to the quests; that is something that the boss man will have to stop
                         if a mind to ( blocking certain things unless as a member is a start ).

                         Again I thank all of you for your input, now what about the rest of you ?
Hi. cant thank you enough for that post.I can not give rewards but you are deserving A kudu is best I can do Mcbain.
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: GPEX admin on September 11, 2015, 08:23:55 PM
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Larry not sure where you got those numbers.

I got gpex.ca values at $13,868.00 usd which is determined by daily, monthly and year end stats on how many visitors the site had.

Monthly 85,427 with a total for the past year at 1,025,124


Tinman

Hey Martin....... re, your comment

Thoroughly disagree with that valuation, wherever it came from.  But that's beside the point, the tabulation of the Forum's traffic is determined by counters.  The following stats are for the last year - -

(http://gpex.ca/image-sharing/images/forumstatsb.jpg)


The stats don't lie.... on average, almost 1.5 million page views per month.
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: XT18000 on September 12, 2015, 05:23:10 PM

  Tmarackman:

  Gold One :

                  Thank you both for your replies. true there are a lot of people that start with
                   the wrong idea as to how, what, and where prospecting is all about, they see
                   a show on TV and think they know everything that they need to know about
                   it and we all know how the rest of the story go's. That sort of person gets  no
                   fond memories from me, you have to try a whole lot harder to have any chance
                   of finding even a grain of gold, except by shear luck and most of those miss
                   guided souls never bothered to learn even the most basic steps to help them
                   do that. But that is straying away from what and why my post was about so
                   I will comment no more about it. I will continue to try and generate more
                   interest it the forum and what it contains for it's members. Lets lead off in a
                   new direction and see where it takes us. I want to start it buy asking you both
                   a simple question; what subject would you like to learn more about ? Try to
                   stick to subjects related to the kind that are found on the forum. I'm not going
                   to put up an example, I 'll leave that up to you. It makes no difference where
                   this knowledge on the subject starts, basic, more than basic, advanced, and
                   so on, any MEMBER may ( and I hope they do ) chip in with any knowledge on
                   your subject ( one from each of you ) and see where it takes us.
                   As I have all ready stated in one of my replies, Knowledge almost always wants
                   more knowledge !
 
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: tamarackman on September 21, 2015, 04:54:47 PM
Ok XT18000, ill start a new thread on something i need more knowledge about.
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: XT18000 on September 22, 2015, 03:25:44 AM

 Good !  As a start I would like to comment that learning anything new usually involves
 learning words that we are most likely un-familiar with. Technical words, words that
 are used to describe something so it cannot be confused or interpreted with anything
 else are the norm and should not scare off anyone from following the post. If anyone
 has a problem of not understanding words used, reply with a request of what that word
 means, because if you do not understand the words as they need to be understood you
 will not understand the subject you will only be guessing. I have a very good reference
 library and will try to help with this problem if possible. It would be helpful if someone
 who has a very good command of writing  ( did I hear Larry's name mentioned ? ) would
 make a good addition to this effort also by pointing out or correcting the form of presentation
 ( more learning ).
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: kcm on September 29, 2015, 11:43:52 PM
***thinking to myself***  XT18000 reminds me of me when I was younger  ;D  Now I’m old and tired  <-smug->

As I am new here, I have found MANY threads that I would very much like to comment on or ask a question to. My biggest problem is that I look up at the dates of the other posts and find that it is an old thread. Is it still acceptable to post to an old thread? SURE it is!! Question is, if I ask a question in an old thread, will it ever get answered?!?!? Do any of the old-timers ever go back and re-read old postings? Or would a new post bring an old thread back up the list as though it were a newer thread? …I don’t know these things. As mentioned elsewhere, I haven’t been online much since I was an IRC op on multiple help channels back in the late 90’s. In IRC (before there was video IRC), it wasn’t so much a problem for someone to post off-topic as the posting would soon be gone. Now there are these forum threads – and I have seen where admin has gone in to remove any unacceptable posts. Have seen the “Chat & Everything Else” category - just how “everything else” is that? …Doesn’t appear that it is as widely used as maybe it was intended???
Is very difficult to go from a life of believing that “there is really not much more gold out there to be found” to now trying to get into this very difficult hobby/venture this late in life. (sorry, can’t seem to make that sentence very readable…been a long day!) Spent my youth working like a draft horse and loving every minute of it. Now I have no choice but to work much more using my head than my hands, back and legs.

Like XT18000, I am also reading like mad(!!!). Reading seems to be getting easier for me as I have a less physical life now-a-days. Many folks want (and do) write in and start a new post asking something that it seems many other folks ask. Lots of people don’t take time to go back through old threads. Personally, I very much enjoy reading posts from GollyMrScience, although I have not seen anything posted by him lately. Don’t yet know how to find out who is still active and who isn’t.

Getting back to the original question here, I think a lot of the reason many people look but don’t post is because they, like me, feel very intimidated in the presence of others who are so knowledgeable. Many are shy. Many people are just secretive, which is historically a good trait to have when it comes to gold and mining. Yet things have to be different today. No longer are we as afraid of working our claim and having armed bandits bushwack us. …That IS correct, isn’t it?????  <-thinking->  When I posted my first question, I knew what I wanted to ask but not how to ask it; how to word it. After having done much reading now (with LOTS to go), I now understand that the answer I was looking for would best be achieved through the longer process of study rather than a quick-and-easy post. From the number of views from that post, there is certainly a lot of interest in rock types – people wanting to learn. But along with all of the book learning, there also has to be a fair amount of experience involved to fully understand. Can’t help but wonder how many of the anonymous “views” on the gpex site are people who read the posted questions and answers and are still left in the dark because of the lack of hand-on experience that cannot be obtained from reading.

In any case, a fantastic point of view, XT18000!! Seems I have arrived here at a very good time to see someone of your interest and enthusiasm bringing renewed vigor to the site.
Kudos (as soon as I figure out how)  <-good_>
Kcm
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: kylewmurray on December 26, 2018, 03:09:39 AM
Yes Gold one they will, just like the propaganda newspaper reporters of ol times. Thats how the west was developed. In my area they had new towns pop up all over the place. Crazy townsite locations that never had a chance would pop up due to some pocket strike, tell people the railway is coming, sell a bunch of lots and gear and off to the new one.
I think that a lack of interest is a big problem!
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: mcbain on December 26, 2018, 07:37:27 PM
Hi.Kylew.welcome to the site.I do not think it is so much a lack of interest.But maybe a lack of no how.So many folks sign up but stop at making a post.something must have tweaked their interest in the first place.otherwise why bother?For some it is just a place to hang out and feel like thet are a part of something.Others want to be a part of it but are scared to ask simple questions.and that is where most problems lie.There are nostupid questions only some get stupid answers and that can turn folks away.Most of us try to make folks feel at home.Hope that makes some sence.Luck,Mcbain.
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: graeme1955 on December 27, 2018, 09:24:22 AM
yeah some people ask simple questions, and get rude facebook answers, and that is a real turn off......
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: Xplore on December 27, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
Questions are encouraged at all levels in this community - from complete beginner to advanced! 

The more experienced members generally go out of their way to provide useful advice and guidance. Keep in mind this is done on their own time for no pay - they are being generous enough to share knowledge and ideas about their hobby.

It's also important to make every attempt to educate yourself outside of this forum.

For example, in addition to participating on this forum I have read 5+ gold panning / prospecting books, watched dozens of videos, read dozens of blog posts, and gone out of my way to meet community members in person to exchange knowledge.

Simple questions, in addition to the more complicated ones are what make forums like this useful and valuable.

Just don't expect other people to mentor you if you aren't willing to put in some legwork to educate yourself as well.

Questions are welcomed, so ask away!

Xplore

P.S. Anytime a post is made, whether on a new or old topic it gets bumped to the top of latest posts, and yes, both old timers and new timers look at latests posts quite often.


Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: graeme1955 on December 28, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
awesome replies to this post. Thankyou all!
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: JOE S (INDY) on December 30, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
This string (the more recent posts) really do bring up a good point, specifically good questions and answers.

Just because a thoughtful question was asked quite some time ago doesn't mean that recent contributions aren't welcome.  A 'timeless question' is appropriate and really open ended on a forum like ours.  Insight, well intentioned humor and searching for answers are never out of date or stale.  No one knows all the answers - and so we all should consider developing new answers to old questions - even if the original poster is long gone to Gold Miners' Heaven.

Our forum is certainly composed of an extremely wide mix of non, pre, new, 'regular', old and ancient miners and yes, even some dead miners who wrote their thoughts down in the past.  Each and every one of us can and do learn from one another.  At times the greenest, newest member asks the simplest questions - and just by replying, that answer is open to 100% review by hundreds if not thousands of us all. 

Many members have heard about my preferences for certain products or techniques while mining.  I did not invent those products nor did I conceive those techniques - but rather I learned from others, who often learned from others as well.  Presenting new ideas, questioning established ways of doing things and learning 'nuggets of knowledge' from old members is the meat and potatoes of our forum.

Now, we also have the perpetual question "Where should I go to look for Gold near Anytown, Canada?" and those well intentioned questions come and go with little fanfare.  Theory, modification of old techniques and brilliant new ideas are what we all should seek and expand upon.

As for a Newbie's  Simple and Uninformed question - well that is where great new ideas come from.  "What would happen if you just ...", "Why doesn't someone ...", "Couldn't you just ...", Has anyone heard about ..." or "Why can't I just ...?" start conversations that make discoveries that no one ever expected.

Just as an example, where would we all be if someone hadn't simply decided to yank riffles and carpet out of a sluice box and make drops instead?  Gold Hog mats, Gold Cubes, Vortex Mats, Le Trap drops and many other "new" styles of efficient in box recover systems wouldn't be around today. 

So, look for those old meaty questions in the past posts. For  5, 8, 10 or more years those excellent questions have languished with new insights just around the corner. 

Isn't learning a progressive journey with no specific end in sight?   <-shock_>

Joe
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: poncho on December 30, 2018, 03:49:46 PM
Perfectly said Joe i second that for sure   the CGPF forum is a great organ of knowledge
Title: Re: Lack of interest ?
Post by: mcbain on December 30, 2018, 07:23:13 PM
Hi.Guys over the years I have had many new members visit me at the claim.Just full of questions.Alot I can not answer.I tell them ask it on the forum.(standard answer) is I do not bother with the forum any more.there is nothing new and it is boring.That really gets my goat.Hold on I say.back up and think a bit.You are a member ask your questions,make some comments,participate.Is that not why you joined?Well yes but a big fat zero.Most of these folks expect to get answers and entertainment without even wiggling a finger.I can not help these folks that are not willing to help themselves.I am running out of ideas.It takes more than half a dozen to keep this forum alive.Luck Mcbain.